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Those wacky media folks are at it again

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BBC is just like CNN..same outlook and similar political slant, but BBC is publicly supported by TV licensing in the UK, so you pay for your license to watch TV and still get commercials on top of that...I think the fee is close to 200.00 per year.
 
We own a Chevy Volt. It is, by far, the best car we have ever owned, (sorry Sky). The media is constantly trying to destroy this car. The stuff the say is totally untrue. A government agency called NHTSA crushed one side of a Volt, rolled it over 3 times, then stored it outside and upside down for three weeks. Leeaking anti freeze finally shorted a few battery cells and started a small fire that was quickly put out. The media made it sound like every Volt owner was in danger of being consumed by fire. The truth is that noone has ever had a problem. Maybe the body shop owner should worry if he drags a crashed Volt to his shop and leaves it wit the battery connected for three weeks. Why would anyone do that? The range and cost figures that are published are also way off. You would think they would ask the owners for info. They don't.
 
I have not seen the media take a negative view of the volt, rather the opposite ??
 
The probelm is not the media having a negative view of the Volt, it is the consumer having a negative view of the car. No one wanted one long before the battery fire problem and no one wants one now. Not one badged as a Chevy and going for 40K+. Well, almost no one.
GM shut production down for 5 weeks to try to lower inventory. Good luck with that.
 
Maynard, how far does it go on just the battery? Just curious. I am not in the market for one, but I am interested in how far the technology has moved, and you know quite a bit about cars.
 
Well Jim...It depends on air temperature and whether you use high heat or high AC. The simple answer is 38 miles in mid winter and 47 on a normal summerish day. The car drives and accelerates more like a sports car. (Remember I used to drive fuel dragsters).When you have depleated the battery to 20% charge the genset comes on to provide enough current to drive the car and maintain, (but not re-charge), the battery. We drove from Detroit to Miami and back and averaged 43 mpg when the generator engine was running. It is hard to say bad things about any car that accelerates very well, handles like a sports car, and gets 44mpg. Forget the battery miles. The battery is all we need for 90% of our daily use during the year. It costs me $15 to $17 per month for the elctricity that is used by the car. It is on a seperate time of use meter. We charge at night. It is a great car, try one. The other over worked thing is the cost. I wrote a check for $37,300. I bought the car for MRSP and our Michigan sales tax is 6%. The $7,500 rebate was subtracted up front. So that 37,300 was my actual delivered cost.
 
A former top fuel guy drives an electric car...

What's next, motorcycles with electric start?


;)
 
Part of the problem is that many will NEVER buy a GM product again. The government bail-out just rubbed them the wrong way. And this Volt is now the flagship of the company.
 
Sweet, 37k for a car that looks like a cavalier. (and I am a GM guy)
 
Well I am a GM guy although I have owned just about every American brand at one time or another over the last almost 60 years that I've been driving legally. I like the idea of the volt, but I agree with some of you that the cost is not in the realm of reasonable for that car (imo). As far as mileage is concerned one of our HOFers (Noel... NYRussel) has a VW sedan with a diesel engine that we drove to Tenn last fall to pick up a Boston Whaler and we got almost 50 mpg without the boat and a little less with the whaler behind us. Keep in mind that this is in a car that has lots of power and is actually reasonably comfortable even for me (I'm 6'6" and weigh 250-260). Since I will only buy American brands I won't buy one, but there are other options to the Volt if mileage is the first consideration. Now if they can produce a Volt to retail somewhat south of 30 grand, we'll talk.

Walt
 
Walter P said:
Well I am a GM guy although I have owned just about every American brand at one time or another over the last almost 60 years that I've been driving legally. I like the idea of the volt, but I agree with some of you that the cost is not in the realm of reasonable for that car (imo). As far as mileage is concerned one of our HOFers (Noel... NYRussel) has a VW sedan with a diesel engine that we drove to Tenn last fall to pick up a Boston Whaler and we got almost 50 mpg without the boat and a little less with the whaler behind us. Keep in mind that this is in a car that has lots of power and is actually reasonably comfortable even for me (I'm 6'6" and weigh 250-260). Since I will only buy American brands I won't buy one, but there are other options to the Volt if mileage is the first consideration. Now if they can produce a Volt to retail somewhat south of 30 grand, we'll talk.

Walt
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Walt,
The new VW Jetta is built in Chattanooga. I have a 2010 that was actually assembled in Mexico. But how do you really know where most cars are built. For example, The Buick Regal is assembled in Germany with an American engine and a Mexican transmission. Who knew?
 
Ahh...the nice thing about growing up in the muscle car era (I owned Mopars from 340s to Hemis) is that any MPG over 14 sounds great! :)
 
I have one of those Jetta TDIs (a Wagon) and it returns mid-to-upper 40mpg economy on the highway at 80mph. If I slow down I can easily best 50mpg.... Mine was assembled in Germany (you can determine it from the VIN if you know the code.)
 
Sorry Sky i disagree with the bailout remark.

This country got into the bailout biz early. We bailed out the private companies building the Transcontinental railroad 3 times. Built electric and telephone networks on the public dime and are still doing so with RUS grants and annual Usf subsidies well over the auto bailout total. Never mind the agriculture and oil companies. Next to TARP and the AIG bailouts GM looks smart to me because as flawed as it was, at least it directly kept people working aside from Lloyd Blankfein and all the wall street guys who tokk the money, did not do what was intended with it and paid themselves record bonuses.

Are people not buying insurance reinsured by aig or selling mutual funds managed by wall street firms who took either direct subsidy or the thinly veiled indirect aig money?
 
Thanks for the help Sandspur. You guys are all missing the point. The real question is, where do the PROFITS go. All cars are assembled from parts that are produced all over the world. I have driven a Jetta diesel. It is a nice car, but is not as nice as the Volt. In fact there is no comparison. the problem that most have with the Volt is the Chevrolet label. GM would have been much smarter to have hung a Buick label on it. Maybe it should have been called an "Electra" to revive a 50s Buick label. Really guys, go drive a Volt and look it over before you bad mouth it. You might be surprised. Sky would like it also and I hope he gets off his "new GM bad" soapbox before too many agree. If that idea takes hold, GM colapses and Michigan, (and Sky's business), takes a huge hit. It is what it is. I didn't like the Obama and UAW bailout either, but nobody asked me. If the Republicans don't get their act together we will have to deal with another 4 years of the current thinking.
 
I have to agree on it being badged differently. It should have been badged a Caddy or a Buick and then bring out a lower priced version badged as a Chevrolet in a few years after the car got further developed. I like the Electra moniker.
One thing I dont like is having the taxpayer subsidize the sale of the vehicles ( not just the Volt)with government rebates. I have no use for an electric car and I don't like helping out those that do. The worst example is the Fisker. The company got millions and millions in low interest guaranteed loans and free grants from the government to design, develope, build and sell a 100K electric 2 seat sports car that not many can afford. It is the answer to the question that nobody was asking. They are stacking up in storage lots faster than Volts.
 
Not only that but when cosumer reports bought a Fisker to test, the transmission locked up in park after only 80 miles on the test course. Techs were sent out and a tow truck followed as they couldn't get it to un lock. WHAT A WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY!!!!!!!!!
 
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