The importance of ER checks.

[saltshaker]

I like to do hourly ER checks when running. Today we headed out and all was well after my pre- flight check. I start my engines and generators from the ER so I can check things over before I head out. After an hour or so I checked the ER and all was well. An hour or so later, we decided to shut down and drift a bit. I went in the ER and found some water under the starboard engine. I fired up the engine and found the gasket on the pipe for the trans cooler was leaking badly. It obviously just started as all was dry prior to this. Brought the boat back up to 1950 and water was pouring out. I was able to slow the leak with some self amalgamating tape to get back to our slip without issue. If I hadn't noticed it when I did, the engine bed would have filled up and salt water would have sprayed all over the ER.

 

[Boatsb]

Even with cameras the physical checks make sense.

When I was on my seamester we had hourly bilge checks and 2 people teams for on deck duties.

 

[Boatsb]

Cameras only show so much

 

[SEVEN]

I check every 1/2 hour. I've seen what a half hour of oil spay can do to an engine room.

 

[rustybucket]

Agree 100%. Never know when something is going to give out.

On the cameras, it seems like everybody always puts them viewing the top of the engines, but would it be better to put the camera viewing the engine sump area? At least you would be able to see fluid water/oil/coolant...etc in the sump. At that point doesn't really matter where it's coming from, you just need to know that it needs attention.

Maybe sensors in the sump, maybe some type of fluid sensor or level indicator installed in the sump would be a good first indicator?

 

[Dan Mapes]

Checks are cheap insurance. What was the tape used? "Rescue Tape"?

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

Maybe sensors in the sump, maybe some type of fluid sensor or level indicator installed in the sump would be a good first indicator?

You've got them, called temperature gauges (engine and gear) and, as a last resort, bilge pump indicator light when the engine bay is overtopped. That gauge was my notice a hose clamp failed and 9 gallons of DD's best was sloshing around. In the alternative, I guess you could put a float switch in the bays and tie into your high water alarm.

As for cameras, Murphy states that as soon as you take the camera off the top of the motor the ceiling will probably fall in. Besides, a sump mounted camera might miss one undeniable law of physics: smoke (and steam) rises. There's no doubt cameras are nice. But I wonder if I might skip that walk around if everything looks good on the screen? I'm basically a lazy individual.

 

[rustybucket]

You've got them, called temperature gauges (engine and gear) and, as a last resort, bilge pump indicator light when the engine bay is overtopped. That gauge was my notice a hose clamp failed and 9 gallons of DD's best was sloshing around. In the alternative, I guess you could put a float switch in the bays and tie into your high water alarm.

As for cameras, Murphy states that as soon as you take the camera off the top of the motor the ceiling will probably fall in. Besides, a sump mounted camera might miss one undeniable law of physics: smoke (and steam) rises. There's no doubt cameras are nice. But I wonder if I might skip that walk around if everything looks good on the screen? I'm basically a lazy individual.

Yeah, good point on the cameras, I guess one mounted under, one on top is the best.

For the liquid level in the sump, I was thinking something that would alert even sooner than a float switch. Something like this:
https://www.adafruit.com/product/3397

I don't think any of this (cameras, sensors...etc) replace er checks, but rather make monitoring the er more frequently a possibility.

 

[MVCaprice]

I couldn't agree more that Cameras don't catch things. I installed three in our engine room and I have not caught a single issue with them. Fuel and water leaks just don't show up well!

 

[krush]

Two ideas on cameras: 1) they are cheap now, and many ethernet...so add a BUNCH. 2) Many are movable with remote control, so put in a place and even program a movement routine to scan.

 

[Reefgeorge]

A captain once told me that he had to fire a mate who was going in the ER to smoke pot. The camera worked extremely well for this issue apparently.

George

 

[Walter P]

On one of my 30 plus trips from NJ to Fla, we were heading north on the Indian River not far from Mosquito lagoon when my engine oil alarm went off on my port engine. I immediately shut that engine down and went down into the ER. One of the high pressure oil hoses had burst about 6 inches from the nearest fitting. There was motor oil all over the ER much to my dismay and I used a bunch of oil sorbs to clean everything up. (I always carry a full case of them on a long trip). Since the nearest place heading north for a stopover was still a few hours away, I made a temporary repair using a short length of metal tubing to fit inside and wrapped the outside with the metal from an empty beer can and put on a few hose clamps. I refilled the crankcase and continued to my planned overnight stopover where we ordered a new hose the next day. All during that time (after temporary repair) we ran with the engine hatch off in order to keep an eye on things. I doubt that emergency tape would have held the oil pressure. The moral of this story is be sure to have some beer on board, it may save the day.........

Walt

 

[SEVEN]

A captain once told me that he had to fire a mate who was going in the ER to smoke pot. The camera worked extremely well for this issue apparently.

George

Maybe that's where they got the term stinkpot.

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

On one of my 30 plus trips from NJ to Fla, we were heading north on the Indian River not far from Mosquito lagoon when my engine oil alarm went off on my port engine. I immediately shut that engine down and went down into the ER. One of the high pressure oil hoses had burst about 6 inches from the nearest fitting. There was motor oil all over the ER much to my dismay and I used a bunch of oil sorbs to clean everything up. (I always carry a full case of them on a long trip). Since the nearest place heading north for a stopover was still a few hours away, I made a temporary repair using a short length of metal tubing to fit inside and wrapped the outside with the metal from an empty beer can and put on a few hose clamps. I refilled the crankcase and continued to my planned overnight stopover where we ordered a new hose the next day. All during that time (after temporary repair) we ran with the engine hatch off in order to keep an eye on things. I doubt that emergency tape would have held the oil pressure. The moral of this story is be sure to have some beer on board, it may save the day.........

Walt

Walt, did you have to chill, open and consume or did you have hose materials ready to go beforehand?

 

[Boatsb]

The new beer cans are just too thin. I miss the old ones that had some beef to them.

Anyone make tennis ball cannons with beer and soda cans as a kid?

 

[racclarkson@gmail.com]

The new beer cans are just too thin. I miss the old ones that had some beef to them.

Anyone make tennis ball cannons with beer and soda cans as a kid?

Hell yeah. Duct tape that newspaper and wham. Was always ready for them to explode in my hands.

 

[Reefgeorge]

The new beer cans are just too thin. I miss the old ones that had some beef to them.

Anyone make tennis ball cannons with beer and soda cans as a kid?

Sure, count the lighter fluid drops down the hatch, drop in the tennis ball, wait for the guy down the dorm hall to come out of his room, point and ignite at the small hole with a lighter.

George

 

[Boatsb]

Cant use todays cans for sure.

But spud guns are cool.

 

[saltshaker]

The new beer cans are just too thin. I miss the old ones that had some beef to them.

Anyone make tennis ball cannons with beer and soda cans as a kid?

Oh yeah

 

[saltshaker]

Checks are cheap insurance. What was the tape used? "Rescue Tape"?

Yes I always keep a few rolls handy. I once fixed a bad fuel return line with a chemical gloves some tie wraps and rescue tape.