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I'll be visiting this boat this coming week during the Palm Beach Boat Show. What are the negatives other than asking price? What about the engines? I was told look for CATs for instance. Any 70 owners here of similar vintage? How are the handling characteristics? Thanks all for your constructive input.

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Not familiar with the 70’ but I’ve been on that boat. It’s nice, owned by a friend of a friend. I tried to get the owner to send me pictures of the flybridge seating. Specifically under the seats. They cut the tubs out for better storage and I wanted to do the same to my 60’. Best of luck in your search. We saw it in the narrows when we were marina shopping on the Chesapeake.
 
DDEC engines are not exactly the most popular version of the 2-cycle Detroits. The boat looks great in the photos. Price seems very high to me.
 
DDEC engines are not exactly the most popular version of the 2-cycle Detroits. The boat looks great in the photos. Price seems very high to me.

Jim, I can google or search but what is the biggest issue with these engines?
 
Not familiar with the 70’ but I’ve been on that boat. It’s nice, owned by a friend of a friend. I tried to get the owner to send me pictures of the flybridge seating. Specifically under the seats. They cut the tubs out for better storage and I wanted to do the same to my 60’. Best of luck in your search. We saw it in the narrows when we were marina shopping on the Chesapeake.

Would you like for me to take some pictures when I'm on the boat? I know the owner as he is a neighbor here in SC.
 
Jim, I can google or search but what is the biggest issue with these engines?

I do not have direct experience with DDEC's, but the primary issues I hear are with sensors, there seem to be quite a few sensors vs non DDEC. If the sensors fail the engine is either inop or in limp mode. The second gripe I hear about them is the lack of mechanics that work on them and are knowledgeable enough to troubleshoot electronic issues.

Take my thoughts with a grain of salt, just relaying what I've heard over the years.
 
Would you like for me to take some pictures when I'm on the boat? I know the owner as he is a neighbor here in SC.

Pictures would be fantastic! I wondered what they used to cut and if they sanded the edges. Thank you for the offer.

Dave
815-342-3754
 
DDEC's are the big exception for Detroit. They're normally a great company when it comes to providing factory parts support for their products well past the point where Cummins, CAT, Volvo, MAN, or anyone else would be laughing at you. But these are different, they were so problematic that DD washed their hands of it and walked away. Virtually all of the parts for the DDEC systems have been NLA for years with no plans to resume support.

So you're stuck with $10k replacement displays, $15k replacement ECM's, and that's when you can even find them. There are sensors you can't get, wire harnesses you can't get, and the only support for any of it is a small number of aftermarket electronic repair guys who may or may not be able to fix to your problem. The displays are usually repairable at high expense, but the rest is a coin toss.

Most mechanics won't work on DDEC's for two reasons. One is you need a proprietary diagnostic computer and software subscription that's expensive, but the main one is because in the end they just end up with pissed off customers and a boat that still doesn't work because you can't get parts. The final version of DDEC from the 2000's was by most accounts reliable, but it had such a bad reputation that everybody was avoiding it by then so there aren't many out there.

YMMV, but personally I would never own a DDEC boat.
 
Good looking boat and appears to be well cared for. DDECs are a problem though
 
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DDECs are a problem though

but personally I would never own a DDEC boat.
Take my thoughts with a grain of salt, just relaying what I've heard over the years.
DDEC engines are not exactly the most popular version of the 2-cycle Detroits.

Amazing; none of these kids ever owned a DDEC vessel.
We have managed a few.

Most of the failures these kids have heard of were preventable and a small part of the ownership expense of owning a boat near $1M in cost.

Survey all well. If the DDEC becomes a real issue, there are shops that can turn all back to a mechanical engine.
The 12V71TA is a great engine.

Please keep us up on what you decided.☺
 
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I may have a problem with these 12V71TA-DDEC though.
I fear that so much has been added to the boat, the engines are not making RPM now.
I would like to see over 2350RPM @ WOT. Maybe closer to 2450.
Have the engines surveyed well.

Data from the web ad;
Performance
RPM GPH Knots Load Range
625 10 7.6 20% 1216
800 14 8 31 914
900 18 8.7 36 773
1000 21 9.8 36 747
1110 24 10.5 36 700
1250 30 10.8 44 576
1430 44 11.6 55 422
1600 60 12.8 60 341
1700 68 14 65 329
1800 75 17.3 70 369
1900 85 18.7 75 352
2000 98 19.2 80 294
2100 110 20.3 87 277
2185 118 21 100 267
 
Did not know that you could un DDEC the DDECs. What would the approximate cost of that be?
 
Did not know that you could un DDEC the DDECs. What would the approximate cost of that be?
I have not a clue and would be poorly guessing.

I remember a shop in Jax (Blankinship?) that would save the electronic controls and use ZF or Glendinning servo boxes. Replace the injectors and install rack tubes, new can-buss controller and new dash gauges.
Most of the wire harnesses were saved re-pined.

I recall the main reasoning for this was after lightning strikes.

Probably still cheaper to properly maintain the original DDEC stuff but this is available.
 
Right, I have not owned a DDEC-equipped boat. So it's hearsay. But I clearly recall hearing about the unreliability of DDEC engines when they were new- and they are not new, now.

Converting DDEC to analog DD- I didn't know that was possible. Does the cost of the conversion justify doing it?

Pay your money, take your choice. In the photos, it looks to be a beautiful boat. I think the price is too high, but I have not been on the boat. If you like it, get serious surveys and make an offer. Worst they can say is 'nope'.
 
I've owned DDEC engines in the past. Most of the problems are due to low voltage. Feed them a constant voltage and you won't have too many issues. Sensors go bad on new engines too.

I'd rather have the mechanical versions, but if the boat is right and the price is right, I'd buy it. Just do your homework and get real experts to check them out. Don't rely on what I say or any of the internet gurus who may or may not have any real experience.
 
Just a comment I heard multiple times from former USCG and Navy engineering types, avoid CAT engines at all costs because they're sexy as hell to look at but hard as hell to work on... That was a universal opinion no matter who I talked to.
 
Just a comment I heard multiple times from former USCG and Navy engineering types, avoid CAT engines at all costs because they're sexy as hell to look at but hard as hell to work on... That was a universal opinion no matter who I talked to.

I own more Cats than any other diesels and we work on them less than any other diesel.
 
Just a comment I heard multiple times from former USCG and Navy engineering types, avoid CAT engines at all costs because they're sexy as hell to look at but hard as hell to work on... That was a universal opinion no matter who I talked to.
That is hard to understand.
I do have issues with some Cat models but most are bomb proof.
Some Cats require special tools to set up so the DIY guy is usually not going to do some work.
Can you offer any particular models or example issues?
 
That sounds like 12/92 data at least for the fuel flow

I may have a problem with these 12V71TA-DDEC though.
I fear that so much has been added to the boat, the engines are not making RPM now.
I would like to see over 2350RPM @ WOT. Maybe closer to 2450.
Have the engines surveyed well.

Data from the web ad;
Performance
RPM GPH Knots Load Range
625 10 7.6 20% 1216
800 14 8 31 914
900 18 8.7 36 773
1000 21 9.8 36 747
1110 24 10.5 36 700
1250 30 10.8 44 576
1430 44 11.6 55 422
1600 60 12.8 60 341
1700 68 14 65 329
1800 75 17.3 70 369
1900 85 18.7 75 352
2000 98 19.2 80 294
2100 110 20.3 87 277
2185 118 21 100 267
 
DDEC's are like that hot girl everybody says stay away from because she's batsh!t crazy. If you think you're the one who can fix her with a little unconditional love and patience, more power to you. I'm sure it'll be different from the last 5 guys who got their tires slashed and a spent a night in jail on a fake DV charge. Reputations exist for a reason.
 

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