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Speaking of Anchors anyone using a Rocna ???

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I currently have a 70lb Delta and a 55lb Danforth with a 300ft chain rode. I'm not happy with the Delta in anything but mud and am looking to upgrade and have read some good things about a Rocna made in New Zealand. Does anyone have any experience with one??
 
I also saw all of the load testing and videos about the Rocna. Looks impressive but I have no experience. I wonder if it would fit on the standard bow pulpit / roller that most of us have. I will definitely watch this thread to see if anyone reports first hand experience.

Greg
1985 45C
Hat Time
N. Bay Villlage, FL
 
Don't know or care about a ronca, i'm sticking (play on words) with my super max, goes in the pulpit and never had it budge. Bill
 
Try the trawlers list, they will have 5 thousand responses if you post a query, will still be posting next month..lol..
 
They could beat plowshares into an anchor (lol) or reinvent the wheel or (lol) Bill
 
I was going to get a Rocna when I bought my boat, since we anchor out a lot. I wasn't comfortable using the Danforth 60HT that was on board in reversing currents. A lot of that was due to not having used a Danforth style anchor much. The Rocna was the "hot" anchor du jour and I was used to Delta and CQR anchors. The nice fellow from their Canadian reseller sent me a template for the recommended size, which I used to make a cardboard mock up to see how it would fit in the pulpit. It didn't; even worse than the Delta 88 (anchor, not the Olds, which was a" boat" in its own right) I eventually bought. A big part of Rocna's solution is a lot of weight. For my boat, the recommended size was 121 pounds!

I fitted the bargain priced Delta with an expensive WASI Powerball swivel, in large part because it was the only thing I could find, including shackles, that would mate my 3/8" BBB to the Delta's thick shank. Well, it has been a terrific match. We have used it throughout the Keys, including the notoriously difficult Bahia Honda and Beaufort, SC anchorages and everywhere else all the way to Cape Cod. Mud, sand, rock, with your choice of vegetation on the side. 45 different anchorages, many of them multiple times for multiple days. Lots of 180 degree swings in strong winds and currents. The only time I have experienced any slippage was when I short-cutted the setting process in some fashion.

I keep the Danforth rigged to the rope rode with a chain leader and ready to toss over in an instance. Thought about it a few times in sustained 30 to 40 knot+ conditions, but never got around to it. I too use a double snubber to just under the water line and a lot of chain looped behind it. My only complaint is that the anchor has a tendency to come up backwards now and then; I should maybe have gone up one size on the WASI but was suffering sticker shock at the time. But all in all I love my ground tackle.
 
looked at Rocnas in the past but kind of pricey.

I find it hard to beat a Bruce / Claw... $300 for the 110lbs, $200 or so for the 66lbs which works well on a 53. sets well, resets on a shift, hard to beat. in the past 2 years, i've used the 110lbs version on a 70 footer from the bahamas to Nantucket, so far if failed to set just once. moved 100' and it set and held very well... and it dragged (slowly) once in 40+ kts and too long a fetch.
 
This should be an interesting thread. I had finally gotten completely comfoprtable with the ground tackle on the 58YF (after I replaced everything) and then I sold the boat. Now I have a whole different situation to deal with. I've heard about the Rocna's as well and am quite curious.

My new boat came with a 110lb Original Bruce (not a clone) that seems to be the only anchor that will fit properly because of it's tight fit. I think that the pocket/pulpit/roller was custom designed for this Bruce and I'm doubtful that anything else will fit. I personally have not had good luck with Bruce anchors but maybe it's just the bottom conditions where I anchor. My 58YF came with a 35lb Bruce and I could never get that thing to set or hold. I went to a Danforth 60H and it was great then eventually went to a Fortress FX-55 (aluminum Danforth style) and was very impressed. Even in a 35+kt wind with a 180 degree wind shift it never let go.

Anone know what Nordhavn's come with? It's a stainless plow-type that pivots and is HUGE for the size boat. A friend had a 58 Nordie and it had a 175-lb stainless plow up there. VERY impressive!

Maybe just maybe I could manage to fit a Delta. I hear those are pretty good. I miss my Fortress already!
 
35 is too small for a 58, the 110 should be fine on yr new boat

can't beat the holding power of the Fx but it doesn't reset...
 
I get a malware warning for the Manson site. Very similar design to the Rocna, I have heard good things about them as well.

Regardless, 80% of anchoring is technique and patience. With those, a properly sized Delta or CQR will do you just fine. I think I have pretty much proved this out over a very wide variety of bottoms, currents and weather conditions.
 
I've had good results with a CQR on the roller and 12 feet of chain. I have considered going to an all chain rode, but have resisted due to the additional weight. The only setting or dragging problems have been in the Keys. It failed to set in deep grass - had to change locations, and drug in hard blow on very hard bottom once off Key West. I keep two Danforths on the deck in chocks. One made up to a second rode and ready to go, the other not made up and readily available for use as a stern anchor.
 
Well, you didn't want to be caught anchored in grass in the Keys anyway...

I absolutely agree that technique has to be adjusted to conditions. This is where patience comes in handy, since in a lot of situations you can't see the bottom and what you are dealing with. The very few occasions where I have had any sort of drag have been when I took a shortcut of some sort in a new location. I try to remember to put a mark on the plotter and paper chart, and always log the lat/lon when we are finally set, so we can return to that spot if it is open next time we come through.
 
In general, a single point anchor, like a CQR or Deepset Plow, should be best in hard and rocky or grassy bottoms where initial penetration is difficult; a fluke type anchor, like a Danforth will usually work best in softer bottoms, soft mud and sand for example, because of it's greater blade area. I have talked with several people who just love their Bruce.

I found in my long summers from NY to Maine and back that I had to switch between my 55 lb Deepset and my T4000 Danforth, and I even had my paper charts marked with the anchor I last used. Each of these anchors is one size larger than recommended for my 49 Hatt YF.
For example inside Cuttyhunk,Mass, and in Nantucket Harbor, both grassy bottoms, and just outside the Sag Harbor,NY breakwater where the bottom is extremely hard, maybe even shale, the Deepset plow worked best...but not necessarily after the wind shifted substantially.

On the other hand I could not get my Deepset Plow to ever hold in Ebencook Harbor near Boothbay Maine...that was the softest most watery mud I have ever come across...my Danforth must have gone down 10 feet!!!! The Danforth worked here just fine;but the Danforth would not even penetrate rocky bottoms....it just skidded along the bottom repeatedly.

When I anchored for weeks on end, for example in Nantucket Harbor, the only way I could hold in grassy conditions without worry was placing two Deepset Plow anchors so that as the tidal currents switched four times daily, each anchor took its turn being up current....I left extra scope so if strong winds came perpendicular to the regular currents, I'd hang with good effect on both anchors.

Whatever anchors you choose they have to be able to penetrate initially and then have a surface area adequate for the relative holding of that bottom.
 
I'll add my vote for the SuperMax. I have used them exclusively on my trawler and now the 48MY for maybe 20 years. It only broke out twice and dragged maybe 50' once in hundreds of anchoring days, many times with friends rafted to me. The older style doesn't penetrate grass easily, but there is supposed to be a newer version that will. Anybody have experience with it?

Bob
1981 48MY
Currently lying Marathon
 
Well it looks like there is no one anchor that performs well on all bottoms. I've seen conditions where I've put out all 300 feet of chain to hold and conditions where a 5 or 6-1 scope has held me in 50mph winds. The Rockna seems to perform well in sand, mud and hard bottoms. I can say that my Danforth has held me on a bolder/ rocky bottom where the delta wouldn't so go figure.

We're headed off for a three year cruise this summer and I'm committed to making an anchor change. Thanks for the imput. Ron
 
I get a malware warning for the Manson site. Very similar design to the Rocna, I have heard good things about them as well.

Regardless, 80% of anchoring is technique and patience. With those, a properly sized Delta or CQR will do you just fine. I think I have pretty much proved this out over a very wide variety of bottoms, currents and weather conditions.
Yes, I've heard good things about the Mansons' too. Although their trip line set up is faulty and can release the anchor after it's set I've heard. Ron
 
If you are committed to a change and not as hung up on how it fits in the pulpit then the Rocna or Manson are likely the way to go. They are specifically designed to reset well in big shifts. Just understand they are going to be much heavier; you boat is on the cusp between an 88 lb and 121 lb Rocna for instance.

I'd be curious as to hear from the SuperMax users how they do in tidal current situations where the boat turns 180 degrees four times a day. I cruised on a friend's 42LRC up in the Maritimes, equipped with an SM, he said he had been very happy with it, though we only had occasion to use it a couple of times in benign conditions. Anecdotally, I have heard happiness for use in the Chesapeake as well.
 
I'd be curious as to hear from the SuperMax users how they do in tidal current situations where the boat turns 180 degrees four times a day. I cruised on a friend's 42LRC up in the Maritimes, equipped with an SM, he said he had been very happy with it, though we only had occasion to use it a couple of times in benign conditions. Anecdotally, I have heard happiness for use in the Chesapeake as well.

My summer base is on the chesapeake Bay. The Super Max is great in the mud bottoms there. It will bury deep enough that it takes some time to break it loose. It also sets at 2/1 ratio and I do that to test the set before letting out the desired scope. I have anchored in many of the fast-flowing tidal rivers of the Carolinas and Georgia and can tell you it re-sets very well with tidal changes and current reversals. It's ugly as hell and a bear to rinse free of mud, but IMHO worth the effort. The SM is high on the list of coastal cruising trawlerites.

I carry a new, large Danforth as a backup, but have never had a need to deploy it. BTW, the Super Max fits the standard Hatteras pulpit very well. I did find that a pivoting swivel was very helpful in getting the anchor stock up and over the bow roller. A double shackle didn't work well.

Bob
1981 48MY
Lying Marathon
 

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