Sliding windows in Salon (58 YF)

[first230sl]

Hi everyone. Just came back from two weeks on the boat. Every day was sunny and 80 degrees. Could not have been better.

One thing I had on my to-do list for the trip was to replace the screens in the sliding windows on either side of the salon (this is a 58 YF). The windows in question have three tracks. The outermost two tracks are occuplied by two panes of glass, one slides, and the other is fixed. They overlap slightly. The innermost track is occupied by the sliding screen. To get the screen out, you must remove the two sliding windows to the outside as there is a deep lip on the inside that prevents their removal inward.

Now the problem: when I went to remove the glass and screen, I had trouble (i.e. could not) remove three of the four slabs of glass. Only one of the port side windows came out.

I assumed that the way to remove these things was to simply lift the glass as high in the upper track as it could go, and then lift the bottom edge (which should now clear the bottom part of the frame) out. Most of them, no matter how hard I lifted, would not clear the lower edge.

I looked for, and removed, any spacers above the windows intended to keep them from coming out. There was nothing but frame above the windows. Still - lifting them would *not* let the bottom clear the frame.

I am at a loss - still can't get them out. I thought perhaps that the frame sagged in the middle over the years making removal impossible - but I measured carefully and this seems not to be the case.

All I can think of now is to remove the entire frame from the boat, and then bend the top and bottom apart slightly until I can get the glass out.

This makes no sense to me - there must be a way without removing the frames from the boat. No?

Any advice would be very appreciated.

Best regards - Murray

 

[rjwilliams]

Don't know the window configuration of the 58 YF, but I had a similar problem with windows on our 48 LRC. I found, with help from the LRC owners forum, that you had to slide both the fixed and "slider" to approximately the middle of the window frame. Then and only then could you get them out because, in the case of the 48 LRC, the rounded corners of the frame. The "fixed" window actually slid when I removed a small restraining block screwed into the frame. I don't know whether the 58 YF has a similar situation but I just thought I'd pass on my experience for what it's worth.

Good luck, I, and two other people, one a glass installer and the other a boat yard foreman were scratching our heads for the better part of two months.

Regard,

Dick Williams
Freedom - 48 LRC

 

[spartonboat1]

Slightly off point, but is anyone aware of a source for the bottem channel slider mouse fuzz that the glass and screen ride on? Thx...

 

[Tom Ipock]

You can get all of the parts from Sam's Marine.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Watts]

first230's,

In order to remove the glass you will have to jack the frame up a little. Either a hydraulic jack or a piece of wood a little wider than the frame opening works great. If you use a jack, use a piece of wood on the bottom extrusion to protect the track. It will not take much to get the glass out. Hope this helps you out if not, I will be happy to talk you through it. My number is 252-634-2214.

By the way, fuzz and glide can be purchased at SAM's.

Jimmy Watts

 

[first230sl]

Jimmy - thank you so much! I will try this. I must say, however, that is sounds a bit scary. I can envision cracking the fibergalss above the frame. I imagine that one just has to jack *carefully*.

Just one question - should I slide the glass toward the middle and jack on either side of it? Or jack in the middle and slide the glass out toward the jack?

Once again - I really appreciate this and will report back.

Take care - Murray

first230's,

In order to remove the glass you will have to jack the frame up a little. Either a hydraulic jack or a piece of wood a little wider than the frame opening works great. If you use a jack, use a piece of wood on the bottom extrusion to protect the track. It will not take much to get the glass out. Hope this helps you out if not, I will be happy to talk you through it. My number is 252-634-2214.

By the way, fuzz and glide can be purchased at SAM's.

Jimmy Watts

 

[Jimmy Watts]

Murray,

I looked at the picture of what you said was your boat and based on that picture your sliding frame is just behind your door. Provided that this is indeed the same boat try and get the jack about 6 to 8 inches from the end and jack at that point. Move the glass towards the jack and try removing it near the center of frame. I have found the frame to be very forgiving when I used this method. You might consider having a glass shop remove about 1/4 inch from the glass. Just a suggestion. Please let me know how things work out.

Jimmy Watts

 

[first230sl]

Jimmy - once again - thanks so much. If this saves me from having to remove the frames for now it will be a huge help. And indeed - I will take the panes in to see if they can remove a small sliver to enable me to get them in and out in the future. At some point the frames have to come out too to be refurbished, but for the moment I'll settle for just getting the screens fixed (which this will allow me to do).

Once again - I really appreciate your help and will report back when I give it a go.

Best regards - Murray