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SENATE to vote on $700B bailout today...

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received this from our ceo today. i was tempted to respond but i've become accustomed to getting a check every 2 weeks.




October 1, 2008


Dear Colleague:



As I said at the beginning of the year at our first Town Hall meeting, this is as economically murky a time as I’ve ever seen. Recent events and the concerns over the stability of the global financial markets have captured the world’s attention. The defeat of the proposed financial recovery plan by the U.S. House of Representatives on Monday has only added to the concern and confusion.



While the press has termed it a “bailout,” thereby implying it just aids a bunch of overly-rich Wall Streeters, the facts are it most aids the very people who should benefit … Main Street America. There are thousands of banks across America, not just the big banks getting the attention, and they are all connected in their dealings. Meaning if the big ones are having issues, those same issues exist in smaller ones, or will soon. As banks run into issues, they stop lending to everyone, small and large, the whole system slows down, and the recession risk deepens for everyone. It is an interconnected world.



It also has been incorrectly suggested that the $700 billion is just “given.” It is not. Existing mortgage loans are bought at market value, meaning what it’s worth today. For example, while a bank may have loaned $60,000, if that loan is worth only $42,000 today that is all they would get. When the government sells that same loan later, they would recover the $42,000 or hopefully more.



This may be more than you wanted to know, but this is a time when making your voice heard can really make a difference. This legislation is good for Main Street America. Credit markets need to be able to flow for people to go on with their lives … buying a house, buying a car, financing education … it is important to us all. Right now, credit markets are gripped by fear and our government is trying to take the actions needed to ensure a tough time doesn’t become an extended, extremely difficult time for people across America.



You can help by urging your members of Congress to enact this legislation that will restore confidence and bring stability to the financial markets. While the legislation that failed on Monday was imperfect (all legislation is), its swift passage would have been a big step toward restoring confidence in the financial markets and making credit more widely available across the country for everyone.



Both Houses of Congress will reconvene over the next two days, so it’s important to make your voice heard right away. Please call (202) 225-3121 and ask for your Congressional representative by name to express your concerns. Please ask them to find a path, work out the issues, and pass a bill to stabilize our markets.



Not all of you will agree, of course, and I do understand that. But I can also assure you that, as an American business leader, this legislation truly is important to the well-being of Main Street America.



Your immediate support is very much appreciated. Thank you.
 
Unique political advocacy is a felony in many states (that is, using the implied threat - or explicit one - of a loss of your job to push a politcal agenda)

I would like that email with headers. I won't identify where I got it from.
 
Does anybody know where the "700" in 700 billion came from? I tried googling and can't find out how this mystical number was derived?
 
Does anybody know where the "700" in 700 billion came from? I tried googling and can't find out how this mystical number was derived?


Treasury Pulled $700 billion price tag out of Thin Air

From GoergeWashingtonblogspot

Treasury Pulled the Number Out of Thin Air

You know the $700 billion price tag of the proposed bailout? Treasury pulled that number out of thin air.

As Forbes writes:

In fact, some of the most basic details, including the $700 billion figure Treasury would use to buy up bad debt, are fuzzy.

"It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. "We just wanted to choose a really large number."
Forbes.com
 
That's what I was finding too but couldn't (well - didn't want to) believe one could fictously come up with a number that large. From what I understand, the devaluation on these mortgage backed securities have only been depreciated on most books by only half of what they truly should be. Does this mean the Treasury should have pulled 1.4 trillion out of their (or should I say "our") butts?
 
I did something today I admit I have never done. I found the bill and read a good portion of it, not all it's over 400 pages. The document has everything stuffed in it. I would think it a turkey at Thanksgiving! It's not just about the bail out of banks but it even has a mental health/health insurance side, if it wasn't so serious it would've been comical. I did my part today, I called, faxed and emailed all my Senators and Representative and asked them to stop this insanity. I am also tired of the democraps blaming the republicans when they couldn't even bring their own part to the table!

Ginger
 
thoward;106522. The document has everything stuffed in it. I would think it a turkey at Thanksgiving! It's not just about the bail out of banks but it even has a mental health/health insurance side said:
Welcome to EVERY bill that comes out of CONgress.
 
. The document has everything stuffed in it. I would think it a turkey at Thanksgiving! It's not just about the bail out of banks but it even has a mental health/health insurance side, if it wasn't so serious it would've been comical.


Welcome to EVERY bill that comes out of CONgress.
 
I am totally against the bailout from what I can figure out and have sent my Texas and Maryland representatives (residences in both places) emails to that effect. It does nothing for me except probably raise my taxes! A total boondogle.
 
Big surprise, it passed LOL
 
There was a really good interview with Warren Buffet by Charlie Rose on PBS last night. Mr. Buffet sure made a good case for passing this. I ride the train to work every day and talk with a few 'financial experts' - men with 20+ years experience in the market (I work in NYC). They have been stating the same thing Warren Buffet made perfectly clear - without commercial paper freely flowing in the US economy, it is seizing up. Financial guys I talk to (this is just idle chit chat on way to work - I'm not in finances nor do they manage my money) have been referring to commercial paper as grease, Warren Buffet calls it oxygen. You don't think about it until it's gone and when it's gone things get ugly real quick. When GE, a triple A rated company has to pay 10% (verses 4%) for short term loans (costing them and extra $350 million this year alone) there is a serious problem. I'm no financial expert, but I feel I have been perhaps fooling myself that this plan is a mistake. It may not be perfect - but who are we kidding, this is Big goverment at work, what do you expect. The longer we wait the worse this is going to get and more it is going to cost to get out of (a stitch in time save nine). The Treasury is the only institution with enough cash to get us out of this. I think this is going to pass - and I hope we were all proved wrong being against it and that Henry Paulson buys the right $700 billion worth of securities and they actually wind up being worth 2 trillion as the market gets back on its feet.
 
Quoting a post from Karl's Ticker Forum:

"Well, the deed is done. It now makes no difference if we like this new law or not.

Some Bullets.

The Senate has passed the new version with a filibuster proof margin of over 60 votes. It now goes to the House.

The House first sends it to the Rules Committee; they decide the terms of debate in the House. Since they are controlled by the majority party, the Rules Committee will decide in accordance with the decisions of the Pelosi leadership. Rules Comm. will limit debate to a few hours. We are told it is likely to be just three hours. Rules will not permit any amendments. Rules will not permit any substitutes. Rules will restrict the debate and vote to the version which has just been passed by the Senate.

The changes now in the Senate version appear to be enough to turn some of the previous House votes from “no” to “yes.” We expect that they will be in a sufficient number to achieve 218 “yes” votes in the House. That is all it takes for passage.
We expect the president will sign this final bill quickly.

The politics have put members of the Congress in the middle. If House members vote no, they will face a political attack for not voting to increase FDIC limits or extend Alternative Minimum Tax relief or provide other economic benefits. Those benefits would have passed the Senate in a separate bill; many of them had already passed the House. It is the Senate which has now tied the whole thing into one up or down vote.
If House members vote yes, they are open to attack for supporting the bailout plan. Either way they are subject to intense fire as they go into the election"

David R. Kotok, Chairman and Chief Investment Officer, email: david.kotok@cumber.com
 
I think they should have given anyone with a conventional mortgage who pays taxes a $10K one time payment or tax credit for us to spend more thereby stimulating the economy and realistically spending our own money our way. This would not have any money going to special interest groups, Would not bail out people who made bad decisions or pushed others to do so.
 
Damn I did not bring my vasoline to work today, going to hurt.
 
Most workplaces have first aid kits - there is probably some vaseline in there though if you are not pretty quick, the jar may be empty! :)
 
Someone with more polical science background than myself (which would include Kermit the frog) help me out....

If I am remembering correctly from School House Rock:

The house votes on a bill...if approved,

It then goes to the senate, if approved,

It goes to the POTUS to sign or veto.


Ok...how did the slight of hand work here, in that the house voted it down, then the senate said "well, we will just tack it onto this other bill and vote on it all as one package"

So now the House has to vote on this legislation again, part of which it previously passed, and part that they said was a turd sandwich.

How is this legal???????
 
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The guys who make the laws make their own rules. How is the ex head of a bankrupt and corrupt loan group not in jail and better working as a campaign adviser for Hussein
 

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