Running new waste hose from Master Stateroom

[svaron]

Does anyone have any experience with any boat yards in the LI Sound that could do the following on our 1990 54ED:
The waste hose from our Master Stateroom is totally clogged and in need of replacement. I don't think ripping the old one out and replacing it will work as it is buried between the engine stringer and the battery boxes. It then snakes through where the stabilizers are.
I think the best way to do it would be to abandon that line and lay a new one. The problem is the bulkhead to the VIP stateroom from the engine room. Keep in mind that my model has the full bean engine room. The old line runs under the floor in the VIP room and then to the holding tank valves. Once i get the hose under the floor again the existing hose can be abaondnend and snake the new hose between the floor and the tanks. Although I conceptually have an idea on how to do this, I would rather not.
Any help would be appreciated!

 

[Bob Quinn]

maybe a dumb idea, but have you tried to snake it or maybe even a roto rooter type of thing?
I mean if you have to unhook the toilet, it might be worth a try?
I recently read an article about crystallization that could be dissolved by I believe acetic acid i.e. vinegar.

 

[svaron]

Thank you

I should have mentioned that we tried a couple of different snakes as well vinegar. It is hard as a rock.

 

[metama]

Sounds like our 53 routing is completely different. We did have to abandon the vent hoses that ran behind the Washer/Dryer. We plugged both sides but it was screwed in every 2-3 ft with clamps. Our routing from the Master Stateroom is clean under the VIP bathroom and into a discharge (that is un-used) in the engine room. then up to the generator room. Pretty easy routing on the 53.

 

[IOLANI]

I just replaced a 12 ft run of the 2-3/8 hose from the Master bath head to the macerator pump. What a bear of a job I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. That hose isn't real flexible when it's new... getting it out when it's clogged solid with minerals is brutal. That 12 ft section must have weighed 50 lbs and it had been strapped to the stringers with Adel clamps when the boat was built. I reluctantly had to cut a new hatch in the floor by the shower to cut off the clamps.

I think I'd be concerned that if you abandon the original hose you may have a lingering odor as that hose becomes permeable with age.

 

[Bob Quinn]

I think I would research some kind of roto rooter thing. I know he commercial guys have units that spin with a cutting head. There has to be a way! Sounds better than the torture of running a new line. Not telling you what to do, just thoughts. Maybe a small tool to start with and work up to something bigger with grinding teeth on it that has teeth on the front but not on the outer diameter so as not to wreck the hose. Gotta be something out there. If not someone needs to invent it LOL.

 

[svaron]

I agree with a tool with some teeth. My concern was that using something that aggressive might pierce the wall of the hose which could leave me in a worst situation as it is nearly impossible to remove the hose under the VIP floor unless i start cutting access panels in the floor.

 

[Bob Quinn]

I agree with a tool with some teeth. My concern was that using something that aggressive might pierce the wall of the hose which could leave me in a worst situation as it is nearly impossible to remove the hose under the VIP floor unless i start cutting access panels in the floor.

Maybe there is something that is smooth on the outside but teeth on the face?

 

[Bob Quinn]

What about something like this?

 

[brettportzer]

These hoses are a wear item though, seems like the best idea is to figure out a good way to replace them, and then the new hose won't be fastened in an area that is inaccessible and then in the future changing out the hose will be easier.

 

[rwaldrop13]

Does anyone have any experience with any boat yards in the LI Sound that could do the following on our 1990 54ED:
The waste hose from our Master Stateroom is totally clogged and in need of replacement. I don't think ripping the old one out and replacing it will work as it is buried between the engine stringer and the battery boxes. It then snakes through where the stabilizers are.
I think the best way to do it would be to abandon that line and lay a new one. The problem is the bulkhead to the VIP stateroom from the engine room. Keep in mind that my model has the full bean engine room. The old line runs under the floor in the VIP room and then to the holding tank valves. Once i get the hose under the floor again the existing hose can be abaondnend and snake the new hose between the floor and the tanks. Although I conceptually have an idea on how to do this, I would rather not.
Any help would be appreciated!

We did this on Pau Hana our first summer, and it was also a 54ED. What I found worked was to start with yanking the old hose but fasten a fish tape to it so as you pull it out the fish tape follows it. Then to run the new hose, put the tape into the hose and do a very tight duck tape wrap making a nose cone if you will. You'll need 2 people for this, one feeding and guiding and the other one GENTLY pulling the fish tape and hose thru the stringers. Be warned, the first time I tried I was trying to pull the fish tape thru the stringers and managed to go under instead of thru- there's a notch in the stringers for the hose. I'd say to buy a full box (50') of the appropriate hose, buy the good PVC hose, and take your time. You'll be frustrated and swearing and then the hose end will pop out where you want it, and it's all down hill from there.

 

[Sadey]

I’ve been avoiding the same project to the master head. August 22nd is my go date. Had to put it on the calendar so I wouldn’t procrastinate any longer. Who has a good price on the hose? It’s the white sanitation hose correct?

 

[jmooney]

Years ago I did the same job on our 61 . I had to cut hatches. Cleaned up and painted the bilges while I was in there . Took about 3 weeks. But left good access. Replaced the same hose about 2 years ago . Took about 2 hours to remove . 6 hours to replace.

 

[IOLANI]

This was the condition of the 2-3/8 waste hose to the macerator pump.



The center portion was so smooth it looked like someone had slipped a piece of 3/4 pvc inside the hose and poured cement around it. Imagine a 12 ft continuous length of this running around bends and strapped to the stringers. Brutal to remove took days but I'm glad I did it.

In terms of the exit hose from the macerator that's a much smaller hose maybe 1-1/4" so maybe a little easier to work with. I've heard and read about folks running Muriatic acid through the lines but that stuff is wicked to work with. I had to use it to save the Galley Maid toilets because the PVC plumbing in them was in similar condition to the hose. I could only get it to work using it full strength with the toilet in the yard on a piece of plywood. The toilet was smoking and the fumes were awful stay upwind , wear a respirator gloves etc....

 

[SEVEN]

I found that that heads that are rarely used got clogged up. Now I flush them every week even if not used. Keep those tubes clean.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

I replaced all of hoses about 15 years ago. I ran mostly PVC with some hose where necessary and several clean-outs along the way. Those clean-outs came in handy when I had a clog last year.