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Pre-oiler And Filtration System

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Someone turned me on to AMS Oil. I went on to their web site and reviewed their products. Although I have always used synthetic in my cars, I decided to change to AMS Oil. Changed Transmission fluid and noted an immediate change in the way my car shifts. Thus far seems to be a good product.

Now to the point. I noted that they sell a pre oil system and a dual filter system. So I though of you guys with the big diesels. I would think that this would be the way to go with a fairly new pair of diesels. Pre oiler would cure any dry starts and the dual filter system would sure keep the oil clean.
 
I seem to be in an "opinion mood" today for some reason. The following is MY OPINION based on many years of engine building, maintainance, and general mechanical work:

Although in theory it sounds good, I have never seen any evidence that pre-oiling, or lack of it, makes any difference to engine longevity. I agree that if you just rebuilt an engine, you MUST preoil it before starting. However, in normal use, there is no benefit except to the Pre-oiling system marketers.

Even the time-honored technique of cranking the DDs with the engine stop depressed for a few seconds is, logically, of no real value. I realize that many folks would argue vehemently about this but the quicker an engine starts, the less time it is moving with low lube pressure. It is better for an engine to start immediately than it is to crank it "to build up oil pressure." If you crank your DD, it will take a LOT of cranking to register anything on the Oil P gauge. START it, and it will register almost immediately. The concept that cranking the engine without starting (dry cranking) brings up oil pressure while somehow generating no wear is fallacious reasoning. It may not hurt anything but that's the best thing that can be said about it IN MY OPINION.

Synthetic oil is great IN MY OPINION - we began using it back in my drag-racing days when we found that a 426 cubic inch engine running 30Wt Mobil 1 would produce 6 more HP than the same engine refilled with "normal oil." If you are producing 6 more HP than the guy next to you and all else is equal, you win! I've disassembled 120,000 mile gas engines run on Mobil 1 and their bearing clearances were essentially unchanged from when I assembled them. Also, syns keep all the internals much cleaner with no sludge and other bad-looking stuff coating the valve gear. However...for me personally, I do not believe it is even remotely cost effective in engines that have their oil changed every 100 hours especially with engines that are, shall we say, prone to seeps. leaks, and other rude behavior. Good quality filters are far more valuable than Syn oil in this application IN MY OPINION.

And, finally re oil, I always run the engines with oil at or just slightly above the "add" marks on the dipstick - never at full. This is also from years of observing engines on Dynos producing less power due to crankcase windage with the oil "full." Also I have (unscientifically) found that some engines use more oil if maintained at full. I have seen them go from "full" to "add" fairly quickly and then stay at add for months. The DDs on Brigadoon are no exception. If I fill them to full, they'll be close to "add" relatively quickly. But they'll stay at "add" for a long time. This latter observation is a fact, not just MY OPINION!:)

OK, now MY OPINION is that maybe I need to actually do some work (at work) now. It would probably be my boss's opinion as well! ;)
 
I agree with Mike about running at or near the "ADD" mark. We have a Volvo front-end loader with a Volvo engine. When new, we complained to the dealer about excess oil usage. Turned out that if we ran it at the ADD mark an not the FULL mark, it used almost no oil at all.
 
There are differences in the needs of diesels for lubricating oil. Esp. the 2 cycle Detroits. There are good threads elsewhere on this...basically the two primary concerns are high valve lifter pressures and soot at the exhausts.

Also, Mobil 1 people, who are 100% synthetics, have programs for commercial surface vehicles and marine transportation. Their oil change intervals are considerably extended and require periodic oil testing. Changes are driven by accumulated bad stuff in the oil.

Regarding the automobile Mobil 1, their filters are much stronger internally and run 10-20 micron filtration, vs the std filter 30 micron. 10-20 micron is the filtration of the primary diesel fuel filter, at least on older DD's. They have recently adjusted that to someone smaller filtration, as they now claim 99% filtration vs. 98% in the past...why the difference, I do not know.

So unless you run up a lot of hours in a season and could benefit from high hours between changes with their program, synthetic would not be indicated, because it ought to be change annually as well.

If Mobil would indicate that changes were a function of hours only and not time, then I would myself look into it, because I have had excellent success with Mobil 1 products in my automobiles.

I was formerly with Oldsmobile, and they ran tests 20-25 years ago and found that synthetics definately reduced wear...some parts just stop wearing at all. Studies have found that an oil pressurized shell bearing simple does not wear in a commercial application if the system is always pressurized d and the oil is filtered or changed on the fly. I have seen this is 50 year old systems- no wear, but had the correct maintenance.
 
Good points. This has my belief for a long time. Our Boat has 454's. we found someone had added a second pressure switch on oil pressure sending unit that ran to the coil. Appears it was designed to not allow the engin to fire until pressure built up. We removed this when we did distributors last year.

We run standard 40w in the boat and gen. If they were newer I might consider synthetic.

Mike, would like your thoughts on some other items since you have gas performance experience.

coils, plugs and wires. do the performance parts realy make any difference?
 
I heard of the benifits of a product called "motor silk" which is a boron compound used as an additive to your motor oil. Of course they claim you will get 20% better mileage due to less friction and it is a one time add as thge boron gets impregnated into the metals. Well it may be snake oil however I bought enough for my 2 gas 454s and tried it my last oil change. Its been 50 hrs and the oil is as clean as the day I changed it. In addition the temps seem to be down a couple of degrees and I believe it has actually reduced my gph. Snake oil or not I'm glad I put it in as the crankcase is most definatly cleaner.
 
Coils, plugs, wires - among my favorites! We'll ignore tune-up type stuff and just discuss the components.

All that is necessary to fire the fuel/air mixture is a sufficient spark at the right time. It is the heat of the spark that ignites the fuel/air mixture (hotter is better). It is the gap of the plug that determines how big a spark is exposed to the mixture. A bigger gap is better IF the coil produces sufficient sufficient voltage to generate a spark to cross the gap. The wires have to ensure the voltage from the coil gets to the plug without losing too much energy along the way and without leaking to ground or cross jumping between wires.

If someone said to me, you can change only ONE item of this group to a "better" quality, it would be the wires. ANY spark plug of the correct heat range and reach properly gapped will fire the fuel/air mixture Any modern coil will generate sufficient power to jump a standard gap. But the wires degrade over time and often the degradation is not obvious.

High performance spark plugs have two "advantages" that may or may not be relevant. If you change plugs every 5000 miles, forget about them. But there are two types of plugs that can be helpful. Platinum tip and multi point plugs.

The platinum tip advantage is that the gap does not widen due to wear nearly as fast as with standard plugs. The multi-point plugs use another method to do the same thing - they typically have 4 ground electrodes. Some people believe that they all fire and therefore provide more spark area. This is not true. The spark jumps the narrowest gap. Initially, if the gaps are (as they should be) all the same, the spark may jump any of the gaps randomly. This is NOT necessarily a good thing - more later. As a gap widens from wear and that side of the center electrode begins rounding off, the spark quits jumping that particular gap and uses a different one. So obviously, the plug can run much longer because it essentially has more optimim gaps available.

When searching for maximum performance, spark plugs are "indexed." That is, standard (single-electrode) sparkplugs in the engine are set so that all plugs have their ground electrode oriented in the same direction. This is a pain in the butt but it's worth a few HP. Obviously in a 4-electrode plug, this is impossible because you can never know which of the 4 gaps the spark will jump. So...multi gap and platinum tip plugs are good for long service life which is a good thing. They do nothing for improving performance over standard plugs but they will hold the performance longer.

Another aftermarket device related to the ignition that clearly does demonstrate performance improvements in certain circumstances is multi-spark ignition modules. These actually generate a series of individual sparks in extremely rapid succession for each spark plug. They require hotter (higher voltage output) coils and corespondingly better wires. If you used poor wires and an MSD, you would get the benefit of an amazing light display under the hood at night as sparks jumped hither and yon but that would be about it. MSDs improve performance because they provide a larger area of spark(s) to ignite the fuel/air. This ensures a more efficient burn across the flame front, increasing power and reducing the chance of detonation.

More (larger) spark is better assuming it is delivered at the right time. Therefore, larger plug gaps are better IF the coil and wires can deliver the voltage to jump the gap. This is why fuel efficiency improved with electronic ignitions and better-controlled systems in general. Gaps went from the typical .035" to .065" and larger. Longer spark = better efficiency.

OK, now...If I add "better" coil, wires, plugs, do I get more power? Actually, a better question might be, If I add better coil, wires, plugs, do I get more "noticeable" power? A safe answer is, "no,assuming your stock system is operating up to specs." Hi performance ignitions really go with increased engine compression. The higher the compression, the harder it is to fire the spark - that's their real advantage. With a stock engine, adding hi performance ignition parts won't do much of anything except reduce the frequency of replacing the components. And even this is questionable on any late model engine; they all have quite good oem ignition systems - largely courtesy of the EPA!

A good check, requiring no instruments at all, to see if your ignition system is reasonably healthy is to simply lift the hood an night with no lights on. If the car is running well and you see no sparking under the hood, it's fine. I say if the car is running well because you could have certain situations where a wire is totally grounded and is therefore not sparking. However, if this is the case, the engine will be running obviously rough.

If you are electronically inclined and wish to do so, you can also check the ignition wires for resistance - 7000 ohms of resistance per foot of wire is a fairly standard spec. Anything higher is cause to consider replacement. Do not replace resistance wires with solid core wires. All you will get for your trouble is interference in a variety of electronic components and radios. You will NOT get a better/longer/hotter, whatever spark. There are superb resistance wires available and most oem wires are of this sort. The days of the old carbon-impregnated wires, which were justifiably and instantly replaced when you got the car home, is long gone.

I've rambled on long enough I suspect...

It's obvious that work here wasn't too challenging or busy today...;)
 
thanks for the info Mike.

We upgraded our Mallory distributors with Pertronix Electronic Ignition Mod. purchased their high voltage coil. also rebuilt the distributor. also replacing the wires with 8mm MSD. Spark plugs are still standard.

Engines are original crusaders, no upgrades on block.

Sounds like you would recommend better plugs. Also appears there will be no real improvement initialy over standard plugs. however the performance would appear to last longer instead of degrading.
 

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