Not a Hatt but what do you think?

[labrador]

Possibly going to look a a 52 Jefferson Monticello. Anyone know about the quality? Is a bank repo that was just surveyed for more than the asking. A few cosmedic blisters and oil pans show some rust are the major issues. Oil pans w/ gaskets are 700.00 ea. Would appriciate any feedback.
Skip

 

[Pascal]

well, first of all, the survey that you were shown isn't even worth the paper it was printed on... NEVER take a seller supplied survey seriously!

bank repo is a big red flag...

who came up with the estimate to replace the oil pans? the seller's broker?

blisters are always cosmetic on a hatteras, not so on a taiwan hull... some were good, some were not so good... that's the problem with older taiwan boats, quality is all over the place.


another common concern with taiwan boats are the fuel tanks, which often needs replacing after 15, 20, 25 years depending on how they were installed. basically you won't know until you start find diesel in the bilge and then it's time for some MAJOR surgery.

if it's a good deal, inspect it carefully, do a sea trial and then decide if it's worth surveying.

personally, i dont' like the layout, it's like the old Hatt TC, Bertram, some Chris. I prefer one big saloon and aft deck on one level than this split level saloon.

 

[Sparky1]

Pascal, how can you possibly state that the survey is no good with no more information than you were given?

 

[Angela]

A seller's survey is most likey from an insurance renewal survey, and those are usually not the kinds of surveys you want to see or rely upon if you are purchasing a vessel.

 

[Sparky1]

A seller's survey is most likey from an insurance renewal survey, and those are usually not the kinds of surveys you want to see or rely upon if you are purchasing a vessel.

I'm aware of the difference between an insurance survey and a pre-purchase survey, but it hardly renders even an insurance survey as useless. Outside that, Skip made no mention of this being a seller's survey. I would think it very plausable that the bank had the boat surveyed to establish a market value.

 

[Pascal]

Pascal, how can you possibly state that the survey is no good with no more information than you were given?

"Possibly going to look a a 52 Jefferson Monticello. Anyone know about the quality? Is a bank repo that was just surveyed for more than the asking."

He hasn't looked at the boat yet... i really doubt he contracted and paid for a survey! "POSSIBLY" "WAS JSUT SURVEYED"

it's the oldest trick in the book... seller or broker gets "a" survey and shove it in prospective buyer face to gain their trust...

second oldest trick is for the borker to recommend a surveyor.

Either is recipe for disaster.

 

[Sparky1]

"Possibly going to look a a 52 Jefferson Monticello. Anyone know about the quality? Is a bank repo that was just surveyed for more than the asking."

He hasn't looked at the boat yet... i really doubt he contracted and paid for a survey! "POSSIBLY" "WAS JSUT SURVEYED"

it's the oldest trick in the book... seller or broker gets "a" survey and shove it in prospective buyer face to gain their trust...

second oldest trick is for the borker to recommend a surveyor.

Either is recipe for disaster.

You must be pyschic (pshychotic?) if you can read that much into those three sentences. Of course Skip hasn't paid for a survey! I don't think you would find anybody who would argue against it being a good idea to get a survey done by someone other than a selling broker would recommend. Then comes the question, how do you know Skip is even going through a broker with this one? It's a bank repo, and they could very well be selling it themselves.

I guess this is all pretty much moot as all he was asking was about the quality of Jefferson boats. It's pretty obvious that nobody can comment on specifics if they haven't been on this particular boat.

 

[Pascal]

"You must be pyschic (pshychotic?) if you can read that much into those three sentences. Of course Skip hasn't paid for a survey! I don't think you would find anybody who would argue against it being a good idea to get a survey done by someone other than a selling broker would recommend. Then comes the question, how do you know Skip is even going through a broker"


i dont' know if a broker is involved, that's why i said "seller or broker gets "a" survey "... maybe you should read post before jumping on the reply button and use words like "psychotic"...

I'll let you argue this one by yourself randy... if you think a survey supplied by the seller or his agent is worth anything, good for you.

 

[Sparky1]

"You must be pyschic (pshychotic?) if you can read that much into those three sentences. Of course Skip hasn't paid for a survey! I don't think you would find anybody who would argue against it being a good idea to get a survey done by someone other than a selling broker would recommend. Then comes the question, how do you know Skip is even going through a broker"


i dont' know if a broker is involved, that's why i said "seller or broker gets "a" survey "... maybe you should read post before jumping on the reply button and use words like "psychotic"...

I'll let you argue this one by yourself randy... if you think a survey supplied by the seller or his agent is worth anything, good for you.

Lighten up Pascal, the "psychotic" reference was just a play on words. Maybe Skip will enlighten us as to the source of the survey and tell us if it is worth anything.

As for my reading comprehension, I just look at what's written versus trying to go off on tangents. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he wasn't asking whether or not the survey was any good. Hope the boat works out for you Skip if that's what you want.

 

[labrador]

Wow, where is the popcorn! Selling broker said buyer without proper financing had a survey done and couldn't get said financing. With that said I think I'm going to pass however if still available when I make a swing through S.C. looking at Hatts I may look at it. Just wanted to know if anyone has any info on Jefferson quality.

 

[Sparky1]

Just wanted to know if anyone has any info on Jefferson quality.

 

[ppat324]

Possibly going to look a a 52 Jefferson Monticello. Anyone know about the quality? Is a bank repo that was just surveyed for more than the asking. A few cosmedic blisters and oil pans show some rust are the major issues. Oil pans w/ gaskets are 700.00 ea. Would appriciate any feedback.
Skip

Not to get the other two knuckleheads going any further, but, I looked at a Monticello around 1980. I thought the construction was more akin (!?) to a bayliner... If I remember back then, a new one was around 159K.
I never looked into the structural end, but I get the distinct impression that it was an entry level big boat built to really compete $$$wise with a quality yacht. I'm sure there are some experts here that can elaborate! ws

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Popcorn is not what we need. I think duct tape might be more appropriate.

 

[Sparky1]

Popcorn is not what we need. I think duct tape might be more appropriate.

You gonna let him talk to you like that Pascal?

 

[jlightonjr]

Oh randy...

Regarding the Jefferson's as I know them they were decent. Two layouts, split salon's (upper salon and lower salon) or the Marquessa with one large upper salon and a galley down (tried to copy the 53 EDMY layout on the latter)

Clearly not built to Hatteras standards however, they do have beautiful wood work. I believe the quality is "ok" there were known problems with the windows on the earlier boats, something about not enough drainage for the tracks and water backing up into the interior but think that was fixed. A former dock mate in Michigan had a 52 and said it required a LOT of waxing - something about the gelcoat. They are a lot of boat for the money.

 

[spartonboat1]

Pascal, how can you possibly state that the survey is no good with no more information than you were given?

Maybe like the 'survey' of a 'Mint Condition' (per their ad) Mercedes I just looked at. Wouldn't start, shook at idle, no air, no heat, shook like an egg-beater on highway, pulled hard to one side, power seats wouldn't work or the cruise control. I think the only mint was jelly spilled on the seats.

Survey? Caveat emptor...

 

[Brian Degulis]

I've looked at some Jeffersons They are pretty good on the foreign boat scale but no so good against a Hat. But it's all relative to the age condition and price. A late model Jeff thats in great shape could be a better option than an old Hat. I haven't heard any specific horror stories about them. I'm not sure if they're using steel fuel tanks or not or wether it's a cored hull or solid. You need to find all that stuff out so if you look at it you'll know what to look for.

Good Luck

Brian