New 53 foot motor yacht.

[edward]

Anyone have a WAG for reproducing, duplicating a 53 foot motor yacht using today’s materials and building techniques,new systems ,engines,gyro systems etc. ? Mine is $ 2milion + ? Yours?? Is there a modern production boat that comes close ? Edward

 

[Photolomy]

Anyone have a WAG for reproducing, duplicating a 53 foot motor yacht using today’s materials and building techniques,new systems ,engines,gyro systems etc. ? Mine is $ 2milion + ? Yours?? Is there a modern production boat that comes close ? Edward

I don't know about gyros, but I think the Carver 52 coupe is a close representation of what you are thinking of. A 53 foot Hatteras was around $250k - $275k new in the 70's, which, inflation adjusted, is around $1.3 million now. Obviously, new Hatteras yachts are (much) more expensive than that now due to the fact that they are designed for luxury. A new 52 Carver though seems to be similar in cost to the new (1970's) Hatteras, inflation adjusted. Carver still seems to be targeting the same boat buyer.

 

[Boatsb]

That's like comparing the cost of building a 1977 Cadillac compared to what's available now.

Theres a 50 hatt motoryach that may not be the same style but represents the tastes of the buyers like the older boats did in their days.

If you want to have a one off built just like your 30 year old boat it's going to cost more than a modern version but that will not make your old boat more. It will just show how out of date it is.

Remember most of the old girls dont even have queen beds in the master. Not a desirable trait.

 

[tom5518]

Or, it might be just what one wants, depending on how the admiral has held up......

 

[Pascal]

Converting the master to queen is an easy fix. You could even convert the bow to a centerline queen by removing the old head, building a new head where the galley is and build a new galley where the dinette is. I took it a step further by moving the galley up and aft with the new head where the the dinette was. Plenty of options. Interior work isn’t very expensive.

New boats in the 50/55 range run around 1.5M but they sacrifice a lot of space (interior and exterior) for the sake of sleek styling Options are limited in that range with mostly low to medium quality like carver/marquis, European imports etc.

With time and money, gutting an older MY and redoing it all is an attractive proposition. But you d have to start with a later wiser beam boat not a 15’10

 

[Scarlett]

I don’t understand the comment on the queen berth, the vast majority of the 53’s came with queen berths and our 53 has a king Berth that we added with plenty of space for it. John

 

[oscarvan]

The real question is.... is the OP's hypothetical question for a one off? Or, what would it cost to start a line of these today using today's methods.

The latter would come into Pascal's ball park...... 1.2-1.5 would be my guess too based on what I've seen in boat shows.

A one off? Many times that.

Comparing it to a Carver brought a smile to my face. I don't think there will be an "enthusiast group" in the future for the three Carvers that survived 40-50 years.......

 

[jim rosenthal]

Styles have changed, mostly for the worse if you look at exterior design. Although, since they tend to be boxy and overinflated they have more interior room. At the cost of looks, if you ask me.

I suppose it would be less expensive to do a comprehensive refit on an existing boat. But it would take you a long time and cost you plenty. Better to buy a well-maintained original which is not too dated (queen bed, etc) and just keep up with the inevitable maintenance.

 

[oscarvan]

As an interesting aside, there are quite a few people in the larger boat market that buy quality built older boats and send them to the Far East for extensive "frame off" refits..... It's cheaper, and they end up with a gorgeous "new" older boat with modern systems. From what I've read the sales tax savings versus a new boat here pay for the shipping and then some.....

 

[Walter P]

Oscar, that's probably the case with Mega Yachts but I don't think it would be cost effective to do it with
an average older Hatteras. Still it's an interesting option.

Walt

 

[Scarlett]

What these boats really need is to cut the cabin top off at the rub rail and rebuilt the entire thing out of carbon fiber including the flybridge structure. If you did that they would become so stable you would hardly need stabilizers. John

 

[nautibake]

Converting the master to queen is an easy fix. You could even convert the bow to a centerline queen by removing the old head, building a new head where the galley is and build a new galley where the dinette is. I took it a step further by moving the galley up and aft with the new head where the the dinette was. Plenty of options. Interior work isn’t very expensive.

New boats in the 50/55 range run around 1.5M but they sacrifice a lot of space (interior and exterior) for the sake of sleek styling Options are limited in that range with mostly low to medium quality like carver/marquis, European imports etc.

With time and money, gutting an older MY and redoing it all is an attractive proposition. But you d have to start with a later wiser beam boat not a 15’10

Our 58 has 3 Queen berths, plus the 2 bunks in the V-berth, so it seems very feasible to have at least 1 or two on a 53. I can't imagine being as ambitious as Pascal on the other major "surgery" items, but I do know we have over $1.1M in documented investment in this vessel since 2011, so it is not hard to reach that amount and not even have a "new" interior. I'm thinking the real # for the average person without Pascals skills and resources might be closer to $2M+, just imho...

 

[Top Hatt Craig]

I heard somewhere newer boats have their sinks and showers plumbed to the holding tank? If that’s true anyone know what year that came to be? I’m kinda grasping at straws looking for at least one advantage to our forty year old boat.

 

[Pascal]

Some new boats have a gray water tank but I ve never heard of sinks going to the black water tank.

 

[edward]

A few years ago there was a proposal to duplicate some TRUMPY yachts and have them built by VICUM boat yard,seems the price was $2 mil +/- . a 60-63 hull gallery up and 3 staterooms plus crew. It was going to have all the latest / modern engine,systems etc. I am guessing a cold mold hull. I think that VICUM is off shore some where,but I guess one of the builders in WANCHESS ,NC could probably pull it off. Edward

 

[oscarvan]

A few years ago there was a proposal to duplicate some TRUMPY yachts and have them built by VICUM boat yard,seems the price was $2 mil +/- . a 60-63 hull gallery up and 3 staterooms plus crew. It was going to have all the latest / modern engine,systems etc. I am guessing a cold mold hull. I think that VICUM is off shore some where,but I guess one of the builders in WANCHESS ,NC could probably pull it off. Edward

VICEM is based in Turkey. There was a cold molded 2.2M yacht at Annapolis boat show. Impressive.

 

[Pascal]

Vicem is a Turkish builder which makes some gorgeous boats in the 50-100 feet range. Classic lines and DDG. Cold molded mahogany construction.

That trumpy project never went anywhere

 

[edward]

I understand they picked that yard for beautiful wood work. It was a shame the project did not fly ; I bet they would have been gorgeous! Anyway I think those guys in Wanchese would do a good job.

 

[Boatsb]

Demand is not there. Tastes change and new styles become popular. Classics may never go out of style but the economic math is not in their favor.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Trumpys were gorgeous yachts, but there have been a number of attempts to build modern boats that look like vintage Trumpys, and none of those attempts have ever gone anywhere, as far as I know. I think Scott is right- tastes have changed and the appeal isn't there.

Of course, if you really want to commit financial hara-kiri, you can buy an old Trumpy and just keep it well maintained. That will break most budgets in a few minutes. They are beautiful boats, but the work never stops. Kind of like the George Washington Bridge, but with propellers.