Need paint help

[holtcl]

Dear HOFers,

This is an exterior shot of my salon side doors. As you can see, they are in need of paint work. The peeling is down to bare wood.

The boat has been re-painted from the original, with either Awlgrip or Imron, I believe it may be Imron.

Question is: How do I fix this? I plan to roll and tip the paint product rather than spray. The preparation part is really where I need some guidance. Also any ideas on how to match the color, if that's even possible.

Thanks,

Cheryl
Cinderella
1971 53 MY

 

[SeaEric]

Hi Cheryl, Last Fall we repainted the PH doors on Traveler. They looked about like yours. We took them off the track and laid them down flat to sand them and feather in the chipped areas, Then we primed the bare wood spots with oil based primer and finished with Brightsides Hatteras Off White which we rolled and tipped. The color match was close enough, but if we added a touch of white to it, it would have been perfect. I think the boat's paint had faded some as its about 15 years old. Look for yourself - she's still on the T-head of your dock. We may have a small amount of paint left if you want to experiment.

 

[lumina]

Hi All,

Eric, Brightside offers two Hatteras off whites (4208 and 1990)....we've found that the 4208 with a drop of white is a great match to Glittering Image.

 

[the kuz]

I need to do the same, but have decided that after going to all the trouble to remove the door, sand and prep, I will use 2 part epoxy paint. With the door laid flat it will roll out really nice. Does anyone knows a good color match for out 1977 36 C original paint that will roll?

If not, I sprayed my toe rails last year with an air brush and the "brow" over the front window with a trim gun, so I may just go ahead and spray it with Imron. I have found that the one part paints (Brightside and/or Easypoxy) look great for a while, but dull/fade after a few years in the sun. If you can find a matching 2 part epoxy it will hold up better/longer.

Regards, Bob K

 

[MikeP]

I agree that spraying with a two-part is better and I would spray the doors after the prep work if that capability is available but it isn't allowed as a DIY thing at Piney (of coarse neither are a lot of other things that people do!).

The Brightside Hatt paints, 4208/4218 really match the oem paints very well, obviously within the parameters of whatever fading has occurred. IMO, being just the doors, the bright side will be fine. Obviously as the Kuz noted, you can't expect the durability compared to Imron or whatever two part paint you might use. But it is pretty easy to re-do/re touch and since your boat is shed-kept, the sun "impact" which does virtually all of the paint damage is vey low.

I used bright side on our Hatt's Marquipt davit in '04 when we bought the boat. It was in a non-shed Marina there and the paint still looks fine. It's been under the roof at Piney since May, '07.

 

[wndsr]

Hi Cheryl,
Great to see you on here!! How have you been? I stripped my salon doors down to natural and varnished just because I am a brute for punishment. Anyway, after stripped, I cut out a slight groove wherever there was a seam and "wicking" could occur. I then filled the grooves with west epoxy to penetrate and then coated the entire outside of door with 3 coats of West special clear. You would not need to use special clear if painting. I then varnished as normal. You would then paint as normal. That was 3 years ago and so far other than routine varnishing, I have had no water intrusion or wicking. Its a bit more work to go through but the trick is to keep the water from penetrating and popping the paint. Hope this helps. Please stay in touch!
Ben and Tina Fishel
"Size Matters"

 

[holtcl]

THANKS Everyone! For this helpful information.

I believe that Cinderella, when re-painted a number of years back, was not done in the original Hatteras off-white, but something more toward white than off-white. There are actually several "whites" on the various parts of boat (e.g., hull vs. pilot house), something I notice but hopefully others do not

I do have a few cans of brightside and can do some experimenting. Eric, I might give you a call to see what you used for primer.

Ben & Tina- I'd probably have better luck if I stripped the doors down and varnished, sometimes I feel like all I do is sand and varnish-- paint is a new area but one that I need to learn!!

This is so very helpful- thanks everyone for your support.

Best,

Cheryl

 

[wndsr]

Paint is fine, Cheryl. I am sure as I get older and grow tired of working for my brightwork, I will paint things again too!!! Another easy shortcut is to get an Awlgrip paint chart. There are round holes cut in the middle of the chip. You can easily hold it over your paint and get a match. Then simply have your brand of paint matched to Awlgrip.

 

[dastahl]

I just tried the InterluX Perfection on the Big Skooch re-do. As a two part it should stay glossy much longer than Brightsides. I found that it rolled and tipped easier than Brightside. It dries rather slowly and the gloss is like a mirror.
l learned a few things.
A. Brightsides goes bad when stored if opened. Because it is a moisture cure polyurethane and when you open it it starts to react. Its way too much work in paint prep to waist by using marginal paint to save a few bucks. It looses gloss and dries very slowly.
B. Perfection is so glossy that any imperfection will show up. I doubt you can feather a paint to wood edge that would not show.

So deciding which paint will change your prep work. If a lot of your door is peeling like the picture you may want to get all the paint off and start with a really good 2 part epoxy primer. And remember that 2 part epoxy primers are very hard to sand. Getting that layer on smoothly can be difficult.

Good luck I am sure it will look great. Keep us posted how it goes.
Skooch
58 LRC Fort Pierce

 

[holtcl]

Update on the paint project- I tested 4 samples for color. Two were Interlux, two were Awlgrip. The Awlgrip in Oyster White ended up a reasonable match.

Stripped the old paint with a heat gun, then sanded. Applied 3 coats Awlgrip primer (stinkie!), then 5 coats of the paint.

Removed the port side door today, and stripped that paint off, as well as the paint from the thresholds. After finish the paint process, will begin the inside of the doors, which is varnish. Needs to be taken down to bare wood as well.

Cheryl
Cinderella
53MY