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I have Covington modified 671tib and I need to remove the top of the inner-cooler where the turbo air goes in. Since western branch diesel is worthless I thought I would start here. Can anybody tell me where I could buy a new gasket.
 
Post a pic. I probably have them. Should be a DD part. BTW is is a intercooler.
 
Thanks captddis, I found it through Detroit Diesel. Follow up question can anyone tell me what the bolts should be torqued too.
 
call jim he can give you the torque specs. im surprised he didn't have that gasket in stock. just leave a message and he will call you back
 
FWIW, with some gasket paper on board and a ball peen ( or"pein," if you prefer) hammer, you can make most gaskets for typical purposes pretty quickly if you are having trouble sourcing or don't want to spend the time looking.
 
Workingonadream I haven't ask Jim yet, I feel weird asking him for information on how to fix something that I'm not hiring him to do.
 
FWIW, with some gasket paper on board and a ball peen ( or"pein," if you prefer) hammer, you can make most gaskets for typical purposes pretty quickly if you are having trouble sourcing or don't want to spend the time looking.

You use the hammer for making an impression to cut?
 
The "flat" end is used to "cut" the gasket around the parts' mating surface; the ball "cuts" the holes. You can make a gasket that way in 30 seconds.
 
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Follow up question can anyone tell me what the bolts should be torqued too.

Unless it has some special torque, you should be able to find any standard bolt torque online.
 

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I don't know that specific application but agree that the table posted will do the job as long as we are not talking about bolting into an AL component. The blower assy on one of our 8v71TIs had the threads stripped out on all of the fasteners when we bought the boat. I discovered it the first time I unbolted it. It was held in place by silicone; the bolts were there for looks! ;)

30 minutes with a heli-coil kit fixed the fastener problem. Took a lot longer to clean up the silicone!
 
You're assuming the last guy actually used a torque wrench. Those specs should be valid no matter what material you're bolting in to.
 
You can't use the same torque setting for steel/steel and steel/AL; you can easily strip out the AL threads.

I seem to recall that there is about a 25-30% reduction in torque for a steel bolt in AL as opposed to the same bolt in steel/cast iron. But it should be easy to find a table on line with specifics. It is entirely possible that what I remember (25-30%) could be wrong. :)
 
There is a different torque for aluminum bolts, but standard bolts into aluminum should be the same as in the chart.

The difference might be a longer thread engagement into aluminum.
 
Thanks everybody for the comments, I am sure the intercooler housing is aluminum but Scrod has a good point, where they torqued before and do they need to be torqued? I assumed they do.
 
Well...strictly speaking there is probably a "torque spec" for every engine/tranny fitting but, in reality, the most important thing is that the bolts be tightened in the proper sequence and they all be at approximately the same tightness. IOW, the actual torque setting for other than critical fasteners (main/rod/head bolts, etc) is not that important. But generally fasteners for a component should be tightened inside to outside and in alternating order. This ensures that the mating surfaces stay true to each other. Basically, you never tighten fittings by going from one bolt to the next. That's a good way to warp the surfaces.

There are a ton of explanations on line and in any service manual for the particular engine/transmission tightening sequence/torque.

Torque wrenches are valuable for critical fasteners but one must also be aware of the specs for the particular assembly - is the torque spec for lubed fasteners or dry; if lubed, what lube? The traditional spec for lubed auto engine bolts is using sae 30 motor oil. But some manufacturer service manuals state dry/clean as opposed to clean/lubed. The difference in actual bolt stretch between dry and lubed can be 30% or more. IOW, if a fitting is spec'ed as dry and you lube it, the torque spec could cause the fitting to break.

The old story re torque settings is that some company had their best mechanic assemble an engine and then published the torque based on how he tightened the relevant bolts... ;)

A lot of people use anti-sieze routinely with absolutely no regard for the change in the torque spec that should be incorporated if the original spec was for dry.

I just looked up the torque settings for a grade 5 steel bolt in steel/cast iron - 40LbFt; in AL it's 30. That setting is dry/clean. If you lube the clean bolt, the torque setting in both cases is reduced by approx 20%
 
The chart I posted is out of the Caterpillar torque specification manual SENR3130 that is in the front of every service manual. It provides the standard torque for bolts, studs, o-ring fitting, flared fittings, just about anything that could be used on a Cat machine or engine. There is no differentiation for the material the bolt is going into.

There is also a machine or engine specific specifications manual in each service manual.
 
It is true that in some cases there is no difference it torque between AL and steel but that is usually dependent on some other factor. Spark plugs, for instance, are usually torqued the same regardless of head material but that is due to the design requirement of the spark plug and is hugely below the torque that would be used for an actual fastener of the same thread size as a spark plug.

Certainly if the service manual - like the Cat example - gives the torque spec for whatever fitting, that's the torque to use, though virtually all service manuals I've seen list the specific fastener (i.e. "intake manifold bolt") and torque, i.e. not just a general chart like that.

Back in the day, Mopar and GM service manuals commonly had a sentence at the head of the torque specs stating words to the effect that all torque specs were based on clean threads and lubed with SAE 30. Ford manuals typically stated that all torque specs were based on dry/clean. Since most of the bolts/fittings on the Ford/Chevy/Mopar engines were the same size/grade, most mechs lubed the Ford fittings with motor oil and used Mopar/GM torque.
 
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If there is a special torque or sequence, it will be called out in the disassembly and assembly manual. If not called out, it is standard torque.
 
This is the first time I've ever heard of different torque specifications for ordinary fasteners in different materials. I agree specialty situations may have differing specs but these should be called out in the service manual i.e. Torque To Yield fasteners. And to be fair, I don't think CAT makes anything but valve covers out of aluminum. At least not from my experience lifting the stuff.

I just went through 18 pages of Machinery's Handbook on fasteners. Lot's of stuff about torque, yield strength, coefficient of friction, working strength, preload, elongation, breaking load etc. Pretty boring stuff actually.

The only mention of material is "soft materials should not be used for threaded fasteners" meaning the fastener itself, and formulas for determining the tensile strength of the threaded materials leading to the determination that if the internal thread will fail prematurely the length of thread engagment should be increased.

Nothing about differing torques for different materials.

Now I've installed my share of Heli-Coils in aluminum mostly for other reasons, but if there's a different torque spec for aluminum I'd be very interested in seeing it and it's source.
 
I talked to jim he said he had the gaskets and that their is no real torque sequence or torque load. he said to give him a call, he will help you. he doesn't have time to do the job anyway but is happy to talk to you
 

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