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The Hydreco keeps on being a probelm!
I have just started the port engine, the one with the rebuilt Hydreco.
At cold start the pressure goes to 260 and oil starts leaking from the filter houseing.
After warming up, the pressure drops to 150 and the oil stops leaking from the filter houseing.
What do you think is the cause of this?

As for the stbd gearbox, oil level is on full at idle, but still VERY aerated!

I am going nuts, want to get back to using my boat!
 
It is, of course, normal for pressure to be much higher with cold oil than with warm oil and the relief valve (pressure setting) on a pump is not particularly accurate with cold, thick oil. Though I will admit that 260 is a big difference from 150...

Mechanical gauge?

Where is the pressure gauge fitting mounted on the tranny? It should be at the selector control valve (the component to which the shift lever is attached). If tranny pressure is taken from the wrong location, it will show much higher pressure. My trannies had external manual gauges installed by the PO that were plumbed to the wrong tranny fitting and pressure was far higher than that shown at the selector control valve and they could not be set anywhere close to spec by turning the adjustment screw. I seem to recall seeing pressures in the range you describe though it was some years ago. When I installed new gauges/plumbed them to the correct fitting, everything became "normal."

Per the Allison M20/20H manual, with the oil p being read at the selector valve fitting and the trannies warmed up, the pressure should be 130PSI with tranny in forward at 1800 RPM and 110 PSI in reverse at 1500RPM. If you can set the pressure to spec with the engine/tranny warmed up, ignore the the cold pressure - it will simply be wherever it's going to be with whatever weight oil is in the tranny.


FWIW, we run 40 wt oil in the tranny because the operator manual states to use the same oil as in the engine and 40 wt is what the DDs are supposed to use. However, the oil specs in the tranny manual list 30, 40, and 15W40 as suitable for the tranny. "The same oil as the engine" is a convenience issue, not an actual requirement for the tranny as long as you use one of the weights listed. There is no restriction regarding weight of oil for temp or load, other than "warm up time" for the tranny based on water temperature. 15W40 or 30 would not show the sort of cold/warm pressure differences exhibited by 40.

As far as "warm up time" - The tranny manual states that if you are running 40 wt oil, the minimum water temp you should be operating the tranny in gear without preheat is 50F. If the water temp is below 50F then the tranny is supposed to be preheated or, if preheating is not available, the engine is supposed to be run with tranny in neutral for 20 minutes before engaging it. With 30 wt or 15-40 the temp is 32F. Allison states that failing to follow this will shorten the life on the transmission. That being said, I'm not sure anyone actually pays any attention to that... ;)

But I would just ensure that the gauge is reading from the selector control, maybe check it against another test gauge, set the pressure per the spec and forget about the cold pressure. If you can't set the pressure to spec, the pump needs new seals.
 
30W since new 1967 9820 hours never been apart. I always pause in neuteral for a few seconds before selecting reverse.
 
I think torque on the filter bolt is 70lb I crank mine down until it feels like the threads are going to strip. you need at least an 18" breaker bar and a 6 point socket.
 
First i would verify the accuracy of the gauge. That pressure does seem very high. 150 is good and it should drop momentarily to 100-120 when you put it in gear. Try backing down to 140-145 and see how she reacts. I also used 30W oil in the gears and 40W in the engines. Never had an issue even when the air and sea temps were near freezing.
 
Okay, I will check where the gauge is connected and then try adjusting the pressure down. It's the beginning of winter Downunder, but the water is not cold at all. Not sure exact temp!
Then I will try 30w oil.

The pump has just had new seals installed, so it's not that.
Meantime, I am on the look out for another new/overhauled Hydreco for the starboard side, which is aerating badly, checked oil levels, checked connections, changed gasket to the triple bolt filter housing etc. Pressure on this gearbox and operation is still okay, but for how long with aerated oil?

Darn FRUSTRATING!!!
 
When mine was aerating, it turned out to need new seals in the transmission, but my pressure was also low.

Bobk
 
I am about to order the new Hydrecos.
The guy in the US asked me if I want LEFT or RIGHT (Clockwise or Counter Clockwise)
and if they run off the blower drive.
I said yes, they run off the blower.
I thought the 12V71n's (Port & Starboard) run the same Hydreco pumps.
Am I correct?

Thanks
 

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