M.Y. Sea Princess

[sweet red]

Whats the story, Morning Glory?

1984 53ft Hatteras MY with fresh engines? Looks like significant investment has been paid in the last 2 years. Surely someone here has the reliably accurate scoop.

 

[Red Hatt]

Look at the previous threads. The core is bad under the bride all the way to the aft deck. Under the aft deck ceiling there is a long crack where the wet core has frozen. That alone would cost 25,000 to 35,000 to repaire much less the whole boat needs a paint job 70,000. All new canvas because there is none at least another 20,000. During the sea trial one of the turbos caught on fire. The list goes on and on . Your better off buying a much newer boat with out all the projects. RUN , don't walk

 

[sweet red]

Look at the previous threads. The core is bad under the bride all the way to the aft deck. Under the aft deck ceiling there is a long crack where the wet core has frozen. That alone would cost 25,000 to 35,000 to repaire much less the whole boat needs a paint job 70,000. All new canvas because there is none at least another 20,000. During the sea trial one of the turbos caught on fire. The list goes on and on . Your better off buying a much newer boat with out all the projects. RUN , don't walk

A bunch of big brothers (and sisters!)....thats what y'all are. Thanks for the info.

 

[tom5518]

http://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?26321-Purchase-Agmt-84-Hatt-MY-53

 

[sweet red]

http://www.samsmarine.com/forums/showthread.php?26321-Purchase-Agmt-84-Hatt-MY-53

Holy Buckets. You can't make this shtuff up.

 

[MadHatter53]

I was on her last week and was very disappointed. Besides what has already been mentioned there is mold growing everywhere it can. I thought about making a low low offer but my money is better off spent elsewhere

 

[Nightingale]

I would take a look at the 1972 53 Hatt listed in Lauderdale named Far Niente. I know the boat and the owner is a member here, I actually bought the zodiac that was on the bridge prior to the bridge extension. She was a freshwater vessel her entire life and I believe has only had 2 owners using her on Lake Michigan up until last year. The new owner has put a ton of money bringing her to today's standards and the last time I was on board she was inside a building getting even more work completed in 2013.

I believe he told me the paint was a few years old at that time and she was always stored more than half of the year indoors during the winter.

 

[sweet red]

I would take a look at the 1972 53 Hatt listed in Lauderdale named Far Niente. I know the boat and the owner is a member here, I actually bought the zodiac that was on the bridge prior to the bridge extension. She was a freshwater vessel her entire life and I believe has only had 2 owners using her on Lake Michigan up until last year. The new owner has put a ton of money bringing her to today's standards and the last time I was on board she was inside a building getting even more work completed in 2013.

I believe he told me the paint was a few years old at that time and she was always stored more than half of the year indoors during the winter.

You are right. She is a stunner. But it has 2300 hours on the engines and is still a '72. If she were a late "80's model, Id say the $225 ask was reasonable. But not with those hours and that age. beautiful, non the less. When you (We) invest endless hours and considerable money in a vessel of this vintage, you do so out of love and reverence for the craft. You can't expect to ever get back what you put in. At best, it gives the competitive edge against other vessels on the market of the same vintage. It won't bring the same money a newer model, lower time boat would. Thank you for the suggestion. I enjoyed looking!

 

[rwappleton]

Red,

Do you want a new boat or a good boat? My experience is year model is just a number. The boat is either cared for and updated or not. My 68 model was much better cared for by the PO than my 79 model.

The ask price is just that. We paid around 40% less than ask for ours after the adjustments of survey. If it inspires you go forward with abandon.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

The model year is becoming less and less meaningful as time goes on. These are all old boats. A 1972 in pristine condition may indeed be worth more than most other newer examples of the same model. Its all about condition and really nothing else. And I wouldn't be afraid of 2300 hours as long as the engines survey well. I bought my boat 13 years ago with 2800hrs. I now have 4200hrs and no major issues.

 

[oscarvan]

The model year is becoming less and less meaningful as time goes on.

Yup..... when I was a first grader a sixth grader was over the hill. Now he's 64 and I'm sniffing 59.... big deal.

Yes care, or more importantly the lack of neglect is key.

That said, the storyline is often difficult to reconstruct. Case in point. There's a "cream puff" in an enclosed berth somewhere in the mid west. Drooly eyes say, oh, she's been pampered for all those years. No she hasn't. She was bought a few years ago, a lot of money was spent and she was pampered, for THOSE years.....

Intel courtesy of HOF.

And the beat goes on.....

 

[Walter P]

Gentlemen......

You are right about condition/maintainence being key issues. Sky, I'm happy to hear of your engine hours with little or no issues. I have had so many discussions with so many "dock experts" (most never had grease under their finger nails) who love to belittle the 92 series. I agree with most HOFers that the main ingredient for good engine life is not to overpower them. One HP per cubic inch should be max. The earlier 53's until I believe 1985 had either 8-71N or 8-71TI and with care they were considered bullet proof. Oscarvan, don't be afraid of older Detroits when you find your dream 53. A good engine survey by a reputable Detroit guy will be worth the cost.

Walt

 

[oscarvan]

The earlier 53's until I believe 1985 had either 8-71N or 8-71TI and with care they were considered bullet proof. Oscarvan, don't be afraid of older Detroits when you find your dream 53. A good engine survey by a reputable Detroit guy will be worth the cost.

Walt

Not afraid of them, would prefer them.

I think ALL 53's came with the 8V71's. Not sure if the turbo was an option, or whether that became standard at some point. For two knots less I'll take the naturals and cut out the turbo maintenance/costs. Suspect I'll spend most of my time at hull speed anyways, and the naturals will load up a little better than the turbos.

It's the 92 variants I'm a little hesitant about. The higher HP appears to come at the price of lower TBO's

 

[Pascal]

Build year is becoming increasingly irrelevant. It s simple math as the 6 year diffence between a 72 and 78 now amounts to 15% of the age and history

Moreover there has been very little change over the years so ou don't gain much with a later model. One exception is the electrical panel being in the stbd ER on the 1970/1971 models... I hated that which is why I ve moved it to the saloon.

The only other significant changes are the shared shower stall between the two aft head, not a and compromise as you get slightly larger head and the separate shower stall in the forward head. Of and the ventury FB windshield somewhere around 74/75 I think.

History, maintenance, and upgrades are far more critical than actual year.

As to engines, i think the TI became pretty much standard around 72/73. I don't agree about the 2 kts differnce, it's more like 4 to 5 kts

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Not afraid of them, would prefer them.

I think ALL 53's came with the 8V71's. Not sure if the turbo was an option, or whether that became standard at some point. For two knots less I'll take the naturals and cut out the turbo maintenance/costs. Suspect I'll spend most of my time at hull speed anyways, and the naturals will load up a little better than the turbos.

It's the 92 variants I'm a little hesitant about. The higher HP appears to come at the price of lower TBO's

Walt is correct. Early 53's had 8v71n's, then they went to 8v71ti's and in mid 1985 they switched to low hp 6v92TA's which have turned out to be excellent engines in that boat at only 465hp. Once again, it all depends on how they were cared for. Get an engine survey.

 

[oscarvan]

Get an engine survey.

Oh yeah.

 

[tom5518]

8V71ti's became standard around 1975, the same year they changed to separate showers in the aft heads. The flybridge was changed circa 1978 with maybe a few late 1977's and early 1978's having the bridge from the 58 MY with a helm console that had the seat in front.