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Lower Helm Convertable

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It looks like 2014 will be the year I can finally get serious about the hunt for a Hatteras. While my usage will probably be 70% hull speed cruising and 30% high cruise to fishing grounds and a need to get there to "hurry destinations and weather avoidance". One of the features on my short list has been a lower helm for all of the reasons that all the YF, LRC and MY owners use them...comfort and safety is certain conditions. However, if I am serious about self sufficient cruising I will need a dingy for anchoring out and enjoying all the exploring that cruising presents. So, without any helm time yet does having a dingy on the foredeck of lets say a 46C eliminate the ability to utilize a lower helm station? Thanks in advance for your responses.
Randy
 
I cant see any way a dingy on the front deck of a 46C would block the view from the lower station. I m pretty sure there was not a lower station available on any of the 46 convertibles.
 
pretty much. You will not be able to see over the dinghy. Get a pair of Weaver snap davits and carry the dinghy on the platform.
 
Dave do you have a lower station?
 
Boatsb said:
I cant see any way a dingy on the front deck of a 46C would block the view from the lower station. I m pretty sure there was not a lower station available on any of the 46 convertibles.
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Scott,
I have found a few 46C's with the lower station on YW. Most of course are either in fresh water in Ohio or TN but one is on the west coast of FL and one up in the northeast. None seem to have a deck davit and dingy. Thus my concern as to whether they were incompatible. Cruising for hours in air conditioned comfort in the heat of the summer or heated winter use would be nice but I realize that the flybridge would be required for travel in the Bahamas to safely transit the bank.
 
Ive never seen a 46 with a lower station. then again the usual here is no lower stations and most that had them no longer do.

As Dave said the davits on the back would be better than on the bow if you want to run from below,
 
Boatsb said:
Ive never seen a 46 with a lower station. then again the usual here is no lower stations and most that had them no longer do.

As Dave said the davits on the back would be better than on the bow if you want to run from below,
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Scott,
Here are the ones I have found. The best one is under contract in TN.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/197...96096/Cleveland/OH/United-States#.UqaL3ScyAfY
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/197...483/Charlestown/MA/United-States#.UqaMOicyAfY
Randy
 
Interesting. Never actually saw one in a 46c or even thought to look. So often we have people glassing in the fwd windows and removing the lower helms last parts. My 41c had a lower station but I could never see myself using it. I guess in the cold it could make sense.
 
I saw a couple 52's out in Cali with them.
 
rsmith said:
I saw a couple 52's out in Cali with them.
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One of the USCG 52Cs has a lower station. Anything over 9kts and you wouldn't be able to see where you're going. A good enclosure or an enclosed bridge would be a much better option for a sportfish.
 
I agree with Jack. My boat has a lower station; all I use it for is to start the engines up when I winterize the boat or when I'm working on the engine room. You are better off with a bridge enclosure that has panels you can open up for warm weather etc. I've kept mine because it would be a lot of work to remove it, and I don't need to put anything else there. The visibility from the downstairs helm is very poor- especially when planing, you really can't see much to the side, and you can't see anything in front of you. And docking is hopeless- you can't see the back of the boat.

The other liability of a downstairs station is that the windows frequently leak. It seems to be very difficult to seal them and get them to stay that way. I have a canvas cover over the windows that is there all the time, so they don't leak. Also, the heat load that comes in through the windows in the summer is huge- another liability of a downstairs station. (I solved that problem by buying a sheet of Mylar bubble insulation that I just prop up there in the summer. It isn't pretty, but it does cut down on the heat coming through.

All in all, I think you are better off with an enclosed bridge of some kind, and a set of switches down below in the engine room to start them, plus some mechanical gauges in the ER. Your selection of boats to look at will also be much larger if you don't insist on a downstairs station.
 
Incidentally, if I were looking for one of these boats, I would either buy one with DDs or find one that had been repowered with modern four-stroke diesels. Cummins 903s were good engines in their day but replacement parts are very expensive, even by marine diesel standards, and it is easier to find technicians who are familiar with DDs as opposed to Cummins.

If you are really lucky, you are going to find a 46 convertible that someone repowered with M11s and needs to sell. Enclosed bridge, dinghy already on the boat, and all the mod cons. At that point, you should get the survey and if she passes, close the deal.
 
Those YW links you pasted have been up for quite a long time (at least 1-2 years)
 
krush said:
Those YW links you pasted have been up for quite a long time (at least 1-2 years)
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Krush,
I too noticed how long they had been for sale. I figured that ocean going Hatteras battle wagons for sale on rivers in the middle of the country were just "out of market". I must admit though that most of the ones up there appear to have aged very well out of the harsh environment of the salt. Forum members have made it clear to me that the cost of transport negates their lower listing prices and does not make sense as there are just too many good boats for sale on the coast.
Thanks
Randy
 
jim rosenthal said:
Incidentally, if I were looking for one of these boats, I would either buy one with DDs or find one that had been repowered with modern four-stroke diesels. Cummins 903s were good engines in their day but replacement parts are very expensive, even by marine diesel standards, and it is easier to find technicians who are familiar with DDs as opposed to Cummins.

If you are really lucky, you are going to find a 46 convertible that someone repowered with M11s and needs to sell. Enclosed bridge, dinghy already on the boat, and all the mod cons. At that point, you should get the survey and if she passes, close the deal.
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Jim,
Currently, I can only find one with QSM11's. The seller has it priced $30K above the average price for a 46CI. I guess if I had recently pulled the trigger on a re-power I would attempt to get as much back too. The other issue with this boat is it has a white-out interior which I am not to fond of.
Thanks
Randy
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/197...21/Coral-Gables/FL/United-States#.Uqcn4CcyAfY
 
Wow that one with qsm-11's would be nice. I've been "looking" for a 40-48C for a while. I was hoping to be ready to pull the trigger this season, but I may be abroad for a bit.

I wish they showed more pictures of it. Does anybody know the boat?
 
I could easily get used to that interior with that kind of performance. Also that is the later version with the diagonal queen bed in the master. That seems to be a lot of boat for 132 ask. I think I'd take a look.

They ought to have included engine room photos. Wonder why they did not.

That boat also has fairly modern electronics and the digital instruments you get with M11s. There's a lot there. And she will burn less fuel than a boat with DDs.

There are a number of redone 46s with their 8-71s for asking prices way higher than this. I would rather have this boat from what I can see.
 
season said:
Jim,
Currently, I can only find one with QSM11's. The seller has it priced $30K above the average price for a 46CI. I guess if I had recently pulled the trigger on a re-power I would attempt to get as much back too. The other issue with this boat is it has a white-out interior which I am not to fond of.
Thanks
Randy
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/197...21/Coral-Gables/FL/United-States#.Uqcn4CcyAfY
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That one is well worth further investigation. There has been a lot of work done there and adding some wood detail wouldn't be that big of a deal compared to what you'd be getting. New engines, generator, windows, helm, electronics, master etc. If you're looking for a 46C, this should be high on your list.
 
Actually this looks like an older boat (1974?) where someone went to the trouble to change the master layout to the later style. And it appears to be done well, although you can't tell in the photos. But if you look at all the things they've done (engines, gears, genset, master stateroom) if they have been done right, a lot of the heavy lifting is already accomplished. And these are great engines for this boat.

You could reveneer the walls if you absolutely had to. But I wouldn't bother. I'd run her as is for a year and sort out all the inevitables, and then decide whether you really wanted to change anything.

My friend Eric says that the cheapest thing to put in a boat is new interior goods, and after that an electronics suite, especially at today's prices. This boat looks like a good place to begin your Hatteras experience.

And the price is asking; I wonder how long she's been on the market.
 
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