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PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'

By Angie Drobnic Holan

Of all the falsehoods and distortions in the political discourse this year, one stood out from the rest.

"Death panels."

The claim set political debate afire when it was made in August, raising issues from the role of government in health care to the bounds of acceptable political discussion. In a nod to the way technology has transformed politics, the statement wasn't made in an interview or a television ad. Sarah Palin posted it on her Facebook page.

Her assertion — that the government would set up boards to determine whether seniors and the disabled were worthy of care — spread through newscasts, talk shows, blogs and town hall meetings. Opponents of health care legislation said it revealed the real goals of the Democratic proposals. Advocates for health reform said it showed the depths to which their opponents would sink. Still others scratched their heads and said, "Death panels? Really?"

The editors of PolitiFact.com, the fact-checking Web site of the St. Petersburg Times, have chosen it as our inaugural "Lie of the Year."

PolitiFact readers overwhelmingly supported the decision. Nearly 5,000 voted in a national poll to name the biggest lie, and 61 percent chose "death panels" from a field of eight finalists. (See the complete results.)

This is the story of how two words generated intense heat in the national debate over health care.

• • •

The former governor of Alaska had been out of the headlines since she announced her resignation on July 3; the Facebook message instantly brought her back to the political stage.

"As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we're saying not just no, but hell no!" Palin wrote.

"The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's ‘death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

It wasn't the first time opponents of the Democratic plans for health care had raised the specter of euthanasia. In February, the conservative editorial page of the Washington Times compared plans for more funding for health information technology with eugenics programs instituted in Nazi Germany.

Democrats in the House introduced a bill July 14 that closely mirrored President Barack Obama's campaign promises on health care. The bill increased regulation of insurance companies, proposed a national health insurance exchange where individuals and small business could shop for plans, expanded health programs for the poor, and gave incentives to doctors and hospitals for efficiency and improved care. It did not promote euthanasia.

On July 16, Betsy McCaughey, the former lieutenant governor of New York and a conservative health care commentator, suggested that the Democratic plan included a measure requiring seniors be told how to end their lives. "Congress would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner," she said on a radio show hosted by conservative Fred Thompson.

PolitiFact gave McCaughey a Pants on Fire rating for that statement. There were no mandatory sessions proposed. Instead, for the first time, Medicare would pay for doctors' appointments for patients to discuss living wills, health care directives and other end-of-life issues. The appointments were optional, and the AARP supported the measure.
Nevertheless, Republican officials began amplifying McCaughey's comments.

House Republican Leader John Boehner issued a statement July 23 that said, "This provision may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."

Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., said on the House floor July 28 that a Republican alternative for health reform was "pro-life because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

Palin's statement then launched the health care debate into overdrive. The term was mentioned in news reports approximately 6,000 times in August and September, according to the Nexis database. By October, it was still being mentioned 150 to 300 times a week.

• • •

The phrase "death panels" appears to be original to Palin. A search of news databases showed no use prior to her Facebook posting.

History professor Ian Dowbiggin, who has written several books on medical history, euthanasia and eugenics, said he had never heard the term before Palin used it. He said the phrase invokes images of Nazi Germany, which denied life-saving care to people who were not deemed useful enough to broader society. Adolf Hitler ordered Nazi officials to secretly register, select, and murder handicapped people such as schizophrenics, epileptics, disabled babies and other long-stay hospital patients, according to Dowbiggin.

"It's not far-fetched to make the historical argument that as you get government more and more involved in health care, you create an environment that is more hospitable to the legalization of forms of euthanasia," Dowbiggin said. "But the Nazi example should be used very advisedly."

"This is an issue that's being exploited by political figures who are opposed to the health care legislation," he added. "They're trying to sensationalize the issue as much as possible to drum up opposition."

On Aug. 10, PolitiFact rated Palin's statement Pants on Fire. In the weeks that followed, health care policy experts on both the right and the left said the euthanasia comparisons were inaccurate. Gail Wilensky, a health adviser to President George H.W. Bush, said the charge was untrue and upsetting.

"I think it is really unfortunate that this has been raised and received so much attention because there are serious issues to debate in health care reform," she said at a forum on Sept. 3.

But some prominent Republicans didn't reject the death panels claim.

Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the senior Republican on the Finance Committee, told people at a town hall meeting on Aug. 12 that people "have every right to fear. You shouldn't have counseling at the end of life; you ought to have counseling 20 years before you're going to die. You ought to plan these things out. And I don't have any problem with things like living wills, but they ought to be done within the family. We should not have a government program that determines you're going to pull the plug on Grandma."

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich, asked about the issue on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, said, "You are asking us to trust turning power over to the government, when there are clearly people in America who believe in establishing euthanasia, including selective standards."

• • •

Democrats responded by saying the accusation wasn't true and highlighting the actual Medicare provision and what it said.

That wasn't necessarily an effective strategy, said Drew Westen, a psychologist who studies political communication and advises Democrats on messaging. "Instead of stopping and asking themselves, 'What are Republicans trying to appeal to?', the Democrats rolled their eyes and said, 'Isn't this stupid,' " he said. "On one level, it was stupid, but on another level, it was hitting seniors very close to where they live."

People intuitively understand that health care reform is about lowering costs, and end-of-life care can be quite costly, he said. The "death panels" claim exploited fears that people already had. Rather than just saying the claim wasn't true, Westen said, a better response would be that there already are "death panels" — run by insurance companies.

"That's the response that should have been there, from the first day the attack was made," Westen said. "You never let an attack like this stand or go unresponded to in any 24-hour cycle."

The charge was raised repeatedly during August town hall meetings. The claim particularly caught the attention of seniors, said John Rother, a health policy expert with the AARP. "That's who's most sensitive to any suggestion of denial of necessary care or being told you can't get the care you need from your doctor," he said.

The town hall meetings highlighted the partisan divisions when it came to death panels. The claim excited the Republican base along with the Tea Party to mobilize a vocal opposition, Rother said. "If your start-out stance is being distrustful of government, then this fit right into your worldview." Though nonpartisan, AARP has generally supported Democratic efforts to pass health care legislation.

• • •

Two independent polls showed that about 30 percent of the public believed death panels were part of health care reform, both the week after Palin made the comment and a month later.

Yet seniors were no more likely to believe it than other age groups. The polls showed a closer correlation by party, with Republicans more likely to say that death panels were part of the plans pending in Congress. It's not clear whether Palin's comments swayed anyone who was undecided or unsure about health care reform.

"It touched a nerve of anxiety, and then there was a big response from the press and from experts that assured people that euthanasia wasn't anywhere near this debate," said Robert Blendon, a Harvard University researcher who studies public opinion on health care. "Most people, at the end of the day, did not believe it was being proposed."

As the furor over the phrase settled down, Democrats used it as evidence that Republicans were unreasonably opposing health reform.

President Obama rebutted the claim in a major health care address on Sept. 9: "Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple."

The phrase has been mentioned in the Congressional record about 40 times since Palin's Facebook posting, but virtually all were Democrats citing it as an example of Republican intransigence.

"You know, GOP used to stand for Grand Old Party," said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., on Nov. 7. "Now it stands for Grandstand, Oppose, and Pretend. They grandstand with phony claims about nonexistent death panels. They oppose any real reform." The House voted in favor of health care legislation the same day.

• • •

Rep. Earl Blumenauer, the Oregon Democrat who promoted the provision that allowed Medicare to pay for doctor appointments about end-of-life counseling, said he sees both positives and negatives from the controversy.

On the positive side, he said he's optimistic the Medicare provision will make it into the final version of health care reform, which is still pending in the Senate, and people had more conversations about making their wishes known for things like living wills or do-not-resuscitate orders.

"It really did energize people who deal with palliative care," he said. "Ultimately, it helped advance the cause of giving people more control over end-of-life decisions."

On the other hand, he said, the episode suggests that political distortions need to be confronted faster and more forcefully.

"It's a sobering prospect that political discourse is going to resemble hand-to-hand combat for the foreseeable future," he said.

That doesn't bode well for keeping average citizens involved in the political process, especially those who are independent or not particularly partisan.

"I think they're losing their appetite to wade through the vitriol, and I'm in the same boat," Blumenauer said. "We are moving to a point where we drive normal people away, and everybody else gets their news and increasingly opinion prescreened, going for days never hearing an opposing viewpoint. That gives me pause."

• • •

As for Palin, she told the conservative National Review in an interview on Nov. 17, the same day her best-selling memoir Going Rogue was released, that she didn't regret her comments. (PolitiFact's calls and e-mail to Palin were not returned.)

"To me, while reading that section of the bill, it became so evident that there would be a panel of bureaucrats who would decide on levels of health care, decide on those who are worthy or not worthy of receiving some government-controlled coverage," she said. "Since health care would have to be rationed if it were promised to everyone, it would therefore lead to harm for many individuals not able to receive the government care. That leads, of course, to death."

"The term I used to describe the panel making these decisions should not be taken literally," said Palin. The phrase is "a lot like when President Reagan used to refer to the Soviet Union as the 'evil empire.' He got his point across. He got people thinking and researching what he was talking about. It was quite effective. Same thing with the ‘death panels.' I would characterize them like that again, in a heartbeat."
 
“me thinkest ye protests too much” …. it appears you are just scared of her…….
 
hahahahahaaa! Nopw, I think she's the best think to happen in a LONG time. As long as she is in the forefront, it guarantees the rethuglicans wont come out ahead..now if we could only do the same thing for the dumbocrats...find a way to ensure they wont come out ahead.
 
Read this and try to understand it.

Please read, even if you are an Obama fan. It is legitimate, written by
respected, Lou Prichett, formerly of Proctor and Gamble. Lou
Pritchett is one of corporate America's true living legends- an acclaimed
author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated speakers.
Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost
leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does business by
creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering..."
Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer
Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made
corporate history.
_______________________________________________________

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA



Dear President Obama:


You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any
of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.


You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy
League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible
signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth
growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't
understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming
others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself
with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly
denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America '
crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style
country where the government sector dominates instead of the private
sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a
government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing
on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that
lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in
the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against
certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging
you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider
opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent
and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you
do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs,
Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of
view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will
probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.


Lou Pritchett


TRUE - CHECK:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/youscareme.asp
 
Written by a very conservative CEO. Should I be surprised by any of it? It is a good letter and actually brings up many good points.
 
Your post was inspired by the Saint Petersburg Times One of the most liberal rags in the country. I say that even though I agree the death panel thing is silly. I would have made a diffrent choice for Lie Of The Year I would have choosen one of the many our new president has told us. Perhaps " There's nothing in our health care bill that will force you change your coverage or your doctor" Or Maybe "I never heard my reverand spew out anti American comments" Considering he attended for 20 years and the CDs our on sale in the lobby that's just a beauty. Oh boy I could go on and on but either of those coming from a POTUS shure beats anything form Palin.


Brian
 
It is true. There will be cost reduction panels who will decide whether it is cost effective to treat someone who is in poor health or elderly. It is in HC bill.
 
Your post was inspired by the Saint Petersburg Times One of the most liberal rags in the country. I say that even though I agree the death panel thing is silly. I would have made a diffrent choice for Lie Of The Year I would have choosen one of the many our new president has told us. Perhaps " There's nothing in our health care bill that will force you change your coverage or your doctor" Or Maybe "I never heard my reverand spew out anti American comments" Considering he attended for 20 years and the CDs our on sale in the lobby that's just a beauty. Oh boy I could go on and on but either of those coming from a POTUS shure beats anything form Palin.


Brian

You might actually be right here...maybe lie of the YEAR is a bit overboard...but you have to admit, the concept of Death Panels is a joke and so is Sarah.
 
You might actually be right here...maybe lie of the YEAR is a bit overboard...but you have to admit, the concept of Death Panels is a joke and so is Sarah.

It's hard to call her a joke considering what she's acomplished. I like her honesty and straight forward aproach to things. I like that fact that she went after people in her own party based on what's right. I've got a lot of respect for her but she doesn't have the knowledge for higher office. Of course neither does the POTUS but he has the gift of BS.


Brian
 
Have you listened to her? She is the very definition of idiot.
 
You might actually be right here...maybe lie of the YEAR is a bit overboard...but you have to admit, the concept of Death Panels is a joke and so is Sarah.

I do not write this to make light of these posts, or any posters. But if you have never been up close and personal to the US government, then the death panel concept is grounded in reality. The federal employees are fine, hard working people for the most part. But they are 100%, completely divorced from the citizenery and guided only by the CFR (US Code of Federal Regulations). Furthermore, they CANNOT be fired, and if you get on their wrong side, you are toast in the worst sense.

The posters who make light of death panels, et al, will rue the day, if the feds take over health care. It will 7-10 years before the effects are felt, but you and your family will be the 'victims' in the future decades.

Ask virtually anyone who had dealt with the utopian health systems overseas. Why did my son's mother-in-law, when her husband was VP of Operations for Europe, based in London, did not use the British system, when they could afford any care she wanted...because IT WAS NOT ALLOWED...the British public system or nothing. Now that is true of her son who is in London, in the financial field. He waits until he comes back the US for care.

Why did the Canadian senior female politician who hammered their 'ours or nothing system' into place in Canada, run to the US 15 months later for her care?

Anecdotes abound from other countries. This US 2,000 page monstrosity is bad for the US. P.s., do not flame me that the US system needs 'fixing'. Yes, there are issues, but a sledge hammer to open a walnut (use your own crazy example), is unnecessary. And a Federally controlled approach is not indicated (politeness).
 
Have you listened to her? She is the very definition of idiot.

I pay more attention to what people actually do not what they say. I'm not as easily fooled as you are but your not alone the current resident in the white house is proof of that.

Brian
 
Lie Of The Year?
 
LIE OF THE YEAR?

Janet Napolitano..." the system worked" about the muslim who tried to blow up the NW plane into Detroit...

if that's not a lie, i dont' know what is...
 
Profile, profile, profile and leave my 85 year old mother in law alone!
 
Have you listened to her? She is the very definition of idiot.

Listened to her?????
The question is......Have you LOOKED at her?.....Who cares what she said......cuz she's a Hottie! That alone is reason enough to vote for her in 2012!
The only thing I will hope and change for is......... I HOPE I get to see her CHANGE into a bikini !!!!
 
The above thought just made me sick!!!
 
Listened to her?????
The question is......Have you LOOKED at her?.....Who cares what she said......cuz she's a Hottie! That alone is reason enough to vote for her in 2012!
The only thing I will hope and change for is......... I HOPE I get to see her CHANGE into a bikini !!!!

Ever seen the movie Idocracy? That seems where we are headed.
 
I pay more attention to what people actually do not what they say. I'm not as easily fooled as you are but your not alone the current resident in the white house is proof of that.

Brian

Exactly what has she done? Dropped out of college multiple times and took close to a decade to get a useless degree that any idiot could have gotten in 4 years with next to no work? Raise a good christian teen who got knocked up? Managed to says the stupidest things imaginable while on TV?

1. “As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.” –Sarah Palin, explaining why Alaska’s proximity to Russia gives her foreign policy experience, interview with CBS’s Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008

2. “We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. … We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation.” –Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008

3. “Well, let’s see. There’s — of course — in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings.” –Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008 (Watch video clip)

4. “All of ‘em, any of ‘em that have been in front of me over all these years.” –Sarah Palin, unable to name a single newspaper or magazine she reads, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

5. “They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan.” –Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, Oct. 5, 2008

6. “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending soldiers out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.” –Sarah Pailn, on the Iraq war, speaking to students at the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008

7. “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?” –Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co,” July 31, 2008

8. “[T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.” –Sarah Palin, getting the vice president’s constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008

9. “I told the Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that Bridge to Nowhere.” –Sarah Palin, who was for the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it

10. “I’m the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can’t.’” –Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor’s office without approval of the city council
 
Idiocry?? I thought you guys were already in deep trouble under the current idiots?? I have never witnessed a bunch of "experts" screw up so bad in my life, well, not true, The British Prime Minister "Anthony Eden really screwed up in Suez and Tony Blair, ?? not enough words or space to describe the mistakes and then we had Pierre Trudeau here in Canada, what a disaster, created the "just society" and "multi culturism" , multi culturism is where immigrants come here and set up mini homelands and continue to speak their own language, why, we may soon have shiera law here shortly......these are the things that liberals love, destroy their own culture because thay do not have the spine to stand up for it, it may offend someone if they do.
History is there to teach us, some just totally refuse to believe the obvious.

Sarah Palin, a tough talking, good looking woman, maybe a bit like Maggie Thatcher but better looking, if she was a little harder on the eyes, everyone would love her...
 

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