krush found ya a boat

[garyd]

http://yachtworld.com/core/listing/...omLength=45&man=viking&slim=quick&searchtype=

1986 48' viking sunk but mostly there. Pull the bridge repair the hole ship it to your house put it that nice new slip you built. Then let the fun begin. Cut a hole to remove the engines intact. Build engine stands that you set them in and rebuild the engines and transmissions genereator etc. Once ya get them running you can use it while your working on the rest.

Should take you about 4-5 years and if you do all the labor and get lucky with the parts that are on the boat, maybe only 40-50k in parts. Get the hull as it is for 40k shipping and crane work 10k. You'd have a pretty nice boat for 100k.

garyd

 

[yachtsmanbill]

Heres a few more...on Ebay.
Item number: 280136071806
Item number: 230154108105 Go BIG or go home LOL ws

 

[Passages]

Now Gary - don't go messing with the young lad.

At this point in his life he need a revenue stream, not a money pit.

 

[garyd]

True, but this will keep him out of trouble. He won't have time or money once he bites off more than he can chew for 1/2 a decade. LOL

garyd

 

[Boatsb]

I had an Old 33 pacemaker when I was 17-25. I had a blast and it kept me off the streets and out of trouble. FWIW a heroin addiction would have been cheaper but not as much fun.

GET THE BOATING FEVER.

 

[thoward]

Something in the 40' range would be a good fixerupper. You will learn all the systems and can rebuild the boat without completely loosing your ars.

 

[jim rosenthal]

If they offered me that boat delivered here AND a check for $200K I still wouldn't accept it. No way. Now that's a hole in the water. Find a decent old Hatteras that is still floating. Like the 45 or 43 that's in a recent post someplace...

 

[hwginc]

If they offered me that boat delivered here AND a check for $200K I still wouldn't accept it. No way. Now that's a hole in the water. Find a decent old Hatteras that is still floating. Like the 45 or 43 that's in a recent post someplace...

To each his own some people get enjoyment out of building something from nothing All boats are expensive holes in water as is most any hobbies
follow your own head and don't let other opinion matter

 

[krush]

Something in the 40' range would be a good fixerupper. You will learn all the systems and can rebuild the boat without completely loosing your ars.

HAHA, you guys crack me up Look, I've probably spent more time in the bilges of boats in my short life thus far than many of you ever will. I don't need a "learning" experience as I honestly have learned enough already. The next step in my learning process would be to get into design.

I can basically fix and do anything on a boat, but that doesn't mean I want to. I value my time! I have a fleet of 8 boats here I keep running as it is, the last thing I need is some sunk POS that needs a total refit when I value my time right now at $50-100 an hour (when it's doing a task I dont consider a hobby lol). I still have to finish rigging the outboards on two boats and pull an engine to swap out a transom assembly and I don't think I'm going to get it done before I have to go back to school.

I know exactly what I want. I want something that is complete, not bastardized and in good structural shape. I don't care about interior updates or high engine hours. The closer to STOCK the better because that means there is less chance for amateurs to do stuff improperly. That's one reason that original 74 caught my attention.

I like doing maintenance and repairs, but I want to enjoy a boat too. The little nickle and dime stuff that adds up for most owners is easy for me, but refit work is a PITA no matter how one approaches it!

I've thought about acquiring a sunk/wreck boat and redoing it, but then I realized that with the market so soft I can actually buy a boat in running condition for more money but it will be way cheaper in the long run (hell, I think that is true in ANY market). This is especially true because I really want a 70's era hatt. If holes haven't been blown thru the coring everywhere for "updating" the thing is basically bullet proof. It's half ass installations, repairs, and maintenance that are the cancer of any boat, but age is not really a factor on a well designed/constructed boat. Just things I've noticed in the 10+ years I've been messing with these "money holes in the water".

 

[thoward]

When I say learn the systems that means ABYC codes, design, installation and all. If you know all that than I am truely in awe. I have had pocket fishers for 25 years but for my first "big boat" I refitted a 43' Egg. It was a great learning experence but I would never do it again as it is not cost effective. There are surely some great deals out there good luck on your search.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Krush,
You have the right idea. Finding an original(or as near as possible) Hatteras is the way to go. I looked for a long time and ended up buying a different model than what I was really looking for just because it had not been "upgraded". You will thank yourself for not jumping into a project or a refit.

 

[krush]

When I say learn the systems that means ABYC codes, design, installation and all. If you know all that than I am truely in awe. I have had pocket fishers for 25 years but for my first "big boat" I refitted a 43' Egg. It was a great learning experence but I would never do it again as it is not cost effective. There are surely some great deals out there good luck on your search.

How much awe?

 

[spartonboat1]

Regarding the Ocean 50' for $25k on eBay that was partially submerged, I would avoid this auction, because it is noted "There is no trailer with this vessel.". LOL...

 

[krush]

When I say learn the systems that means ABYC codes, design, installation and all.

Have you ever read through the codes? They are almost no different then the part of building codes that says "the door in the bathroom must be XX inches wide".

Here is an except from the air condition code on installation:

Ap.6.1 INSTALLATION RECOMMENDATION

Ap.6.1.1

Avoid the illegal discharge of refrigerants into the atmosphere. Refer to manufacturer's instructions for evacuating and recharging.
Ap.6.1.2

Use a refrigerant recovery system to recover refrigerants that cannot be legally discharged into the atmosphere. Refer to manufacturer’s instructions for refrigerant recovery.
Ap.6.1.3

Sea water discharge should be located where it can be visually checked for water flow, and as close as practicable to the waterline to reduce noise.

They don't tell how to design anything, they just specificy what the design should do (except in the case of electrical, because it actually gets into specifics on wire size etc). The code doesn't specify how much cooling capacity is required on a boat, one has to calculate that on his own. I did'nt see anywhere that the code gave specifics on hull construction techniques or thickness either...other than "must be strong enough to do the job" In all, it's bascailly no different than building codes. The ABYC codes are not like SAE or ASME requirements.

In the end, it is a reference and memorizing such things is a waste of brain power IMHO. Besides, if one truely and intuitiviely understands the fundamentals, the design and installation will usually exceed the code. Also, codes are very generic and it is impossible to put on paper what will work for every situation.

I'm not trying to be a smartass by any means, but right now I'm building my brother's house and am having a run through with the county inspectors AND administrators over some code stuff. A quick funny to any of you familiar with the system, I had the head county code administrator tell me to my face that PE and architect licenses "do not mean shit". I didn't discuss with him but let him run his mouth. He's "seen all kinds of bad designs by engineers and has a blacklist". I kindly informed him that it is the state's authority to grant and revoke licenses, not his.

Apparently this same county administrator that is a failed contractor and might not have finished HS knows more about design and structures then licesned engineers and architects. He looked at a stamped drawing in front of my face for some deck bracing and said "I don't think that is going to be enoguh"....I wanted to ask him if he could shoe me his degree and license, because I saw the guy's that made the drawing.

And of course, this whole theosco holds up my project and costs my brother money

Cliff notes: codes don't guarantee a good product, they are just a checkup for boiler plate stuff.

edit: spelling lol

 

[thoward]

Codes do not mean chet until the surveyor showes up. Krush you may be a genius boat guy, I do not know. What I do know is refitting a boat from the bottom up was a great educational experience and was a great help when we stepped up to the 60'. You may have that experience and if that is the case at 23y/o my hat is off to you.....

 

[krush]

Codes do not mean chet until the surveyor showes up.

you are exactly right! Let's consider them the "code inspectors" of the boat world haha (meaning, the boat hasn't sank in the past 20 years, but they are going to write you up for not having a clamp every XX inches). Well, except because they are in private industry, if they are too incompetent they will usually be out of business (at least in the insurance survey world). It's like anything I rekn', there are ones that know there stuff, but it seems the majority are just blowing smoke up your a$$.

Let's make a deal on your boat LOL....I'll show you what a 23yr old can do for upkeep and maintenance/repair/modifications. I'll also show you what a 23yr old can't afford...well, I guess anybody can "afford" anything in the credit happy world of today.



Oh yeah, no Oceans, they are junk

 

[thoward]

On a boat that big someone may be able to afford to buy it but the real expence comes in maintaining it. Figure 75k per year to keep it in good shape if you do a good portion of the work.