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Jeez, we can't even make underwear in the US anymore!

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Interesting how you are the one bitching about it moving to Mexico. Where are you living these days. Do you know anyone involved with moving US jobs to Mexico?
 
"Interesting how you are the one bitching about it moving to Mexico. Where are you living these days. Do you know anyone involved with moving US jobs to Mexico?"

We moved to Mexico in Nov 2006 to take advantage of the lower underwear prices. ;)



















Oh yeah...also, the US moved us there; my wife works for the US Gov in diplomatic status.
 
MikeP said:
"Interesting how you are the one bitching about it moving to Mexico. Where are you living these days. Do you know anyone involved with moving US jobs to Mexico?"

We moved to Mexico in Nov 2006 to take advantage of the lower underwear prices. ;)



















Oh yeah...also, the US moved us there; my wife works for the US Gov in diplomatic status.
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Does that make you an export?
 
There is a terrific website www.stillmadeintheusa.com that lets you search for stuff still made here.

I buy virtually all my clothes by searching the site and have actually bought underwear direct from the company that supplies the armed forces uniforms.
 
Is there a site that tells what is made in the USA and non-union?
 
If there is it's probably the shortest list on the internet. ;)
 
MikeP said:
If there is it's probably the shortest list on the internet. ;)
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It would be easy to find. First search for products made in the USA. Then look for the ones that are priced reasonably not overly expensive.
 
Here's a quote from the US Gov:

"The Standard For Unqualified Made In USA Claims

What is the standard for a product to be called Made in USA without qualification?

For a product to be called Made in USA, or claimed to be of domestic origin without qualifications or limits on the claim, the product must be "all or virtually all" made in the U.S. The term "United States," as referred to in the Enforcement Policy Statement, includes the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the U.S. territories and possessions.

What does "all or virtually all" mean?

"All or virtually all" means that all significant parts and processing that go into the product must be of U.S. origin. That is, the product should contain no — or negligible — foreign content."


There seems to me to be enough weasel-room there for a good bit difference in actual application.

I was surprised to learn that only automobiles, textiles, wool, and furs are required to have such labels. Outside of those products there is even more potential weasel-room...

Here's the FED site with the info:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard
 
I've had this come up in my safe business where some people insist on a "Made In USA" product. One company that I dealt with for years took their manufacturing to Mexico, and that left a bad taste in the mouths of some of my customers. Same with another manufacturer I deal with who builds some of their products here and some in Mexico. I refuse to sell products made in China, period.

I've had to ask my customers (and myself) if the "Made In USA" label means anything compared to the "Assembled In Mexico" when the "Made In USA" safes are assembled here by Mexicans. Not too long ago, this one particular manufacturer in Utah had some 95% of its workforce loaded up and taken away as they were all illegal. With that, it would seem that we really need a "Made In The USA By Americans" label. Then comes trying to define Americans.

I think I'll just stop wearing underwear to show my patriotism.
 
Somewhat related, I felt compelled to post this quote. It appeared in "Onion," a satirical site/publication so it is NOT factual........................I guess. Although it's about Steve Jobs, it resonates to me in a more general way about us today...

I "sensored" several words for appropriateness on this site:

"Last American who knew what the f--- he was doing dies
Steve Jobs, the visionary co-founder of Apple Computer and the only American in the country who had any clue what the f--- he was doing, died Wednesday at the age of 56. "We haven't just lost a great innovator, leader, and businessman, we've literally lost the only person in this country who actually had his s--- together and knew what the hell was going on," a statement from President Barack Obama read in part, adding that Jobs will be remembered both for the life-changing products he created and for the fact that he was able to sit down, think clearly, and execute his ideas—attributes he shared with no other US citizen. "This is a dark time for our country, because the reality is none of the 300 million or so Americans who remain can actually get anything done or make things happen. Those days are over." Obama added that if anyone could fill the void left by Jobs it would probably be himself, but said that at this point he honestly doesn't have the slightest notion what he's doing any more."
 
Nothing against Steve Jobs, but where are Apple products manufactured. It certainly is not in Cupertino, California.

Lets see. Toyota manufactures (maybe a better term is assembles) Camrys and Avalons in Kentucky, BMW assembles X3s in South Carolina Mitsubishi in Illinois. The list goes on and on of foreign companies that either manufacture or assemble their products in the USA. Should we buy them instead of the Dodge Charger that has the engine manufactured in Mexico, and the car is assembled in Canada?

Why is it that foreign manufacturers can utilize our labor profitably, but our own companies can't?
 
I posted the thing about Jobs because I thought the general concept that we don't seem to know what we're doing anymore seemed right on.

My Iphone shipped from Shanghai.

Re products made here or there - last year I bought a small set of screwdrivers for working on electronics. THe hardware store had a set made in USA and a set made in China. So I didn't think about it at all, and bought the USA set. The first screwdriver I used failed on the first screw - the phillips "blade" rounded off on the screw. Went back, bought the China driver set and it worked with no trouble at all since.

So I have to admit if I'm given a choice between junk made in the US or something that works as designed that was made in China, I'll buy the China stuff every time.
 
Remember Apple products are designed in California. They print that on the boxes. It's a farce.

Quality items and junk can be found from every country. You have to know what to look for. I have never had a high quality US tool fail and not get it replaced without a problem. I have broken sockets from Snap on, Mac, Craftsman and others. Every time I get them replaced without an issue. Since the Mac and Snap on cost more than the craftsman it may be assumed the tool is better. Where is the extra value? Why the higher cost? It's because they have closer tolerances and a better warranty. Try to get a rusty bolt off with your harbor freight set and you will appreciate the difference.

Remember Apple has an interesting business plan. A dollar here. A dollar there and all of a sudden you have a big bill for music and apps. I bet most people would not think well of spending $500 on poorly compressed music at one time. If you look at the history of the itunes you will see what I am talking about. This is the legacy of Steve Jobs.
 
dwaynec said:
Why is it that foreign manufacturers can utilize our labor profitably, but our own companies can't?
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Nearly every manufacturing plant opened in last 20 years has a common trait...built in South in right to work states.
 
krush said:
Nearly every manufacturing plant opened in last 20 years has a common trait...built in South in right to work states.
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Great point Krush. I just can't understand the need for unions to run costs up so high. If the workers are not able to get 3 x what the job is worth how is that our problem?
 
I clearly failed in my posting of the thing re Jobs. I didn't post it to be a comment about Apple/Jobs per se. I just thought the satire was extremely humorous and that it illustrated a point that I think is correct - generally it appears that folks in notable positions don't seem to know what the heck they are doing. And if they do make some sort of decision, it is always well-couched in ways to indicate it was someone else's fault if it goes badly.
 
FWIW, I got your intention. I found it funny, but because satire requires an element of truth it was a little depressing too. :p
 
Steve Jobs was good at sending American manufacturing jobs overseas. Jobs was not good for jobs.
 
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