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It's been a bumpy ride, but I still love my new (to me) Hatteras 44 Tri-Cabin

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wlharrisjr

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44' TRIPLE CABIN (1966 - 1972)
Strap in Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s going to be a bumpy read…
First off, thanks to all on this forum who provided suggestions and information while I was in the purchase phase of my new to me hatteras 44 Tri-Cabin! Even with everything below, the wife and I love her, although “Bay Mariner” as a name for a boat that we intend to take to the keys didn’t work, she has been renamed “Kismet.”

Mistake 1, wrong broker. I guess I should have figured out when the first boat he tried to sell me was his own with paint over all the wood to cover the water stains, but once they had the check, they stopped any contact, then I noticed my Mainship listed for sale on their site… We talked about me selling it, but I never made a decision, but there she was… three months later we still do not have the paperwork sorted out, they never sent anything to the bank, sent me a MD title in my name only (we are supposed to be getting her re-documented). Now they sent me a title with the bank listed but still have nto sent the bank the paperwork they asked for.

Mistake 2, wrong surveyor. Broker said he could not ethically (what ethics) recommend a broker, but the one on the bottom of the list he gave me did the survey five years ago, so already knows the boat… Yup, I fell for it. I have a survey; it’s a nice bit of fiction. I hope the part I was able to watch (hull and props etc) was good, I believe the hull is as solid as he said, but not much after that is correct. Still looking for the spare set of props it says are on board (is there some place specific they might be?).

Mistake 3, sea trial, I did not insist on a longer seatrial and I know I should have, we were only out about 15 minutes, just long enough for the new gen set to shut down (broker said it sucked mud coming out of Piney narrows, have found out since it was a deteriorated water inlet line that had a loose section inside blocking water flow)

Mistake 4, Dad and I decided we would take the long way from Piney Narrows to Lippincott, around Kent Island, I mean come on, it just surveyed out great right? So there we are headed out towards the bay, just left the channel at the narrows so we started throttling up the diesels. One governs out at 2K, other keeps going, not sure that governor is working, either way we settled on bringing the one back down, so since my dad will not let go of the helm, I start walking around the boat. Into the aft cabin (dang those diesels are loud) and I see two inches of water at the aft of the cabin, wth, run up to the helm switch on the bilge pumps, nothing happens (yes survey says they all work), well I watch the water and it is not rising (BTW, broker said the bilge had been cleaned and drained after the survey, NOT) so around we go. Pull into Lippincott, port engine temp starts rising, get the engines shut down and the boat in the slip, start checking the engines, port engine on the intake side there is a threaded hole, apparently missing the rod (cannot come up with the name of the thing, anode?). Mech says it is not possible that it came around the island like that, guess miracles do happen.

Long story short, none of the bilge pumps were even wired into the harness (how did the surveyor test them again?), have found a lot of other issues with the survey since. Still love the boat, but it is going to be a long ride to get her to where I thought she already was. Hired a diesel mech to tune the engines and go over them, but he refuses to work on them until he fixes the safety issues (bilge pumps, leaking exhaust hoses, etc), so at least one person working on the boat is using his head for something other than a hat rack.

Bill
Happy owner of Kismet
 
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Wow.....

Not sure what the forum policy is regarding this, but some names may save others from a similar fate?
 
broker name I will give to anyone who messages me, surveyor, I am keeping track of everything and will give him a chance to dedfend himself before I start handing out his name to anyone
 
Fair enough.
 
I'm sorry to welcome you to the club of less than desirable maiden voyages , and I hope you're able to get things straightened out

Just out of curiosity, were the engines surveyed? Did you experience the same issues during sea trial? Don't know what power you have, but I assume DD's of the same vintage. You should be getting more than 2,000 RPM at WOT, especially if the other is running above that (as in pulling the other along).

15 minutes for a sea trial is indeed very short, but if it makes you feel any better, I ran my new to me 58TC for well over an hour at speed with zero issues. My very next trip out ended with me coming back on one engine and made me famous.

At a minimum, I would contact that surveyor and tell him what you've shared with us. Give him the chance to make things right, then take him to small claims court if he doesn't. I'm sure others can advise you better than I in that department in terms of coming up with a figure, but I would think you could get an amount at least equal to what it takes to make those bilge pumps work as he claimed they did. Same with anything else he got wrong.

Good luck with the new boat. I hope you get to spend more time cruising than you do working on her.
 
Unfortunately, other than the checks the surveyor did the Diesels were not surveyed. I am a die hard gas engine guy and other than dealing with the high quality (where is the sarcasm font) diesels the Army purchased over my years of uniformed service, I have had little exposure to diesels. I had seen posts about engine surveys but did not realize it was a separate survey until after the fact. I really am not as stupid as my posting makes me look, I just got in a hurry and it bit me in the a**
 
There are always two sides to a story. You still like the boat ? Must have been some positives here. Like maybe price? Not throwing stones here. Just would like some more info.

Spare props are often under the floorboard on the center line of the aft cabin.
 
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The positives are it is the size and type we want (flushdeck) price was ok, and I am of the opinion that I make my mistakes and I live with them. You are correct there are always two sides to a story, which is why I am not throwing names all over the place. The surveyor will have his chance to defend why the survey is almost completely fiction. The broker? not so much, I gave them multiple chances to fix their issues and they really do not care.

I am curious though why you brought up the two sides thing when I already outlined that there are two sides and was pretty specific on the issues (hard to defend no wiring to the bilge pumps that were supposedly tested, could have sunk the boat)


Bill
 
I'm sorry to welcome you to the club of less than desirable maiden voyages , and I hope you're able to get things straightened out

Just out of curiosity, were the engines surveyed? Did you experience the same issues during sea trial? Don't know what power you have, but I assume DD's of the same vintage. You should be getting more than 2,000 RPM at WOT, especially if the other is running above that (as in pulling the other along).

15 minutes for a sea trial is indeed very short, but if it makes you feel any better, I ran my new to me 58TC for well over an hour at speed with zero issues. My very next trip out ended with me coming back on one engine and made me famous.

At a minimum, I would contact that surveyor and tell him what you've shared with us. Give him the chance to make things right, then take him to small claims court if he doesn't. I'm sure others can advise you better than I in that department in terms of coming up with a figure, but I would think you could get an amount at least equal to what it takes to make those bilge pumps work as he claimed they did. Same with anything else he got wrong.

Good luck with the new boat. I hope you get to spend more time cruising than you do working on her.

I wasn't on the forum then. What was the cause of your engine problem?
 
For the poster. Just some bitter advice. You don't sound too familiar with mechanical and electrical systems on boats. You might want to join the Power Squadron and Coast Guard Auxiliary and take their courses. You will find like minded people who most likley will offer to help you learn.
 
Thanks,

The Diesel Mech who I have workign with me now is making sure I pay attention and learn as we go. I am a car mechanic turned analyst (many moons ago) so my knowledge of diesels and boat wiring is limited and has been learned over the last year and a half of trial and error (I try not to repeat the same mistake twice)
 
Unfortunately, other than the checks the surveyor did the Diesels were not surveyed. I am a die hard gas engine guy and other than dealing with the high quality (where is the sarcasm font) diesels the Army purchased over my years of uniformed service, I have had little exposure to diesels. I had seen posts about engine surveys but did not realize it was a separate survey until after the fact. I really am not as stupid as my posting makes me look, I just got in a hurry and it bit me in the a**

Brother, you are preaching to the choir! LOL I had owned and operated a number of diesel trucks, and I had operated a number of diesel powered boats before I bought my 58TC. I spent the night aboard that boat before sea trialing it the next day, and I crawled all over everything. Even cleaned the bilge myself so any changes after running would be very noticeable.

The Detroits sprang to life a the first touch of the start button, and there was nothing more than a puff of gray smoke at startup. I was standing over top of the exhausts when the owner fired it up, and I knew they were stone cold. She ran like a top the whole time, and when we got back to the dock, there were no changes in the bilge condition.

If you want to feel better about your trip, Click on the red "Freebird" link in my signature line, and look for "Maiden Voyage From Hell".
 
Damn, you boys are fast! :D
 
Brother, you are preaching to the choir! LOL I had owned and operated a number of diesel trucks, and I had operated a number of diesel powered boats before I bought my 58TC. I spent the night aboard that boat before sea trialing it the next day, and I crawled all over everything. Even cleaned the bilge myself so any changes after running would be very noticeable.

The Detroits sprang to life a the first touch of the start button, and there was nothing more than a puff of gray smoke at startup. I was standing over top of the exhausts when the owner fired it up, and I knew they were stone cold. She ran like a top the whole time, and when we got back to the dock, there were no changes in the bilge condition.

If you want to feel better about your trip, Click on the red "Freebird" link in my signature line, and look for "Maiden Voyage From Hell".


I just finished reading it, while I feel for you... You are right, it made me feel like I had a good trip. Hope your buddies leg was allright. A buddy of mine in the Keys posted a picture of his leg a week or so ago asking what the heck, he had bruised/scraped it earlier that day and something was going wrong. Five days in the hospital, came close to losing the leg, but now home and slowly healing

Bill
 
I wasn't on the forum then. What was the cause of your engine problem?

That's a good question. The liner was literally broken in half, and it obviously took out the rings when that happened. Still ran like a top, but it was dumping oil through the exhaust and killing mosquitoes by the millions.

The ruptured oil line became evident after I hired that skinny little mechanic to find the leak, but the engine never lost pressure. The guy who finally tore the engine down far enough to find the problem said it may have been a case where the wrong size sleeve had been installed in a previous rebuild. I'm guessing it may have been like a plane crash where there was more than one variable involved, but I guess I will never know. As far as I know, the old gal is still sitting right where I left her three years ago when we parted company. I sure had big dreams with that old gal, but it just wasn't meant to be.

Hard to believe I'll be coming up on my 10th anniversary of finding this place and finding that boat just a month or two later.
 
I just finished reading it, while I feel for you... You are right, it made me feel like I had a good trip. Hope your buddies leg was allright. A buddy of mine in the Keys posted a picture of his leg a week or so ago asking what the heck, he had bruised/scraped it earlier that day and something was going wrong. Five days in the hospital, came close to losing the leg, but now home and slowly healing

Bill
The last few years have been hectic to say the least (maiden divorce from hell), and I have lost touch with him. He and his leg were fine after than incident. I think about him often as he's a great guy, but I'm almost afraid to call him for fear of getting the news he is no longer with us. He was up in years pretty good during that trip, and I haven't talked to him since around February of 2007. Now that you have me thinking about him again, I think I'll make that call and hope for the best.

The trip was a disaster, but it did open up a whole new world for me in terms of meeting folks on this forum who were and still are very supportive. One thing's for sure, that was a trip I'll never forget, but I look back with more fondness than regret. I lost a ton of money on that boat, but given what others went through during the big crash, I can't complain. As they say, timing is everything. At least I still have my 41 and my health, and I lost about 140 lbs. three years ago this December. I still miss her sometimes though. :D

If you really want to have some fun, read about my trip from Palmetto, FL to Chattanooga, TN one my one winged bird. I'm not even sure where to tell you to find that one, but I'll look it up and post a link if somebody doesn't beat me to it.

Again, best of luck with your new boat.
 

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