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Heres a boatnerd.com link for some great pix of ZENITH tugs at work... Ive been in semi regular touch with Franz, and he would like to thank everyone for their interest and have a Merry Xmas.
He is one of the most upbeat men I know that has soo much on his plate. This guy is about 30 years old. ws
http://www.boatnerd.com/news/newsthumbs/newsthumbs_366.htm
 
thanks for the great pics Bill. Have a very Merry Christmas and a safe and prosperous New Year.
 
Bill,

I hope you will be able to post some pics of the SENECA after salvage. Seems to be a grand old tug to have to go through all the misshap. HATTs off to your buddy Franz.

Hope you and yours have a merry one and happy new year.
 
Thanks guys, I passed along the wishes to Franz too!! ws
 
This just in... ws
Re: Seneca afloat

From: Franz
Location: Back home
email: ZenithTugboat at aol
Remote Name: 68.112.173.171
Date: 12.24.06
Time: 12:59:28 AM
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The SENECA was successfully raised and is floating fine on her own (NO damage to the hull - only sunk due to water entering from waves breaking over the cabin and finding its way in from multiple sources)... she was towed in to the Carbide Dock tonight (Sat nite at 18:30) and will be moved to the MCM Shipyard probably in another couple days where the damage to her machinery will be checked over before a decission will be made as to he final disposition. The USCG, Purvis, Ryba and Capt. Wellington did a teriffic job on yet another marine salvage job! The SENECA shows no visible damage to her exterior, in case anyone was looking to take 'wrecked' photos -she still looks the same... maybe a little cleaner (quite a bath ol' Superior gave her!). Again, thanks for everyone's support and encouragement during these times. Happy Holidays to everyone! -Franz
 
Seneca under tow- Emmerson Ruffins!! ws
 
I bet the interior damage to the machinery is amazingly bad tho..... :mad:
 
Yup -- 1939 diesel electric... Probably cant get the parts--only more used junk.
Or new and Uh Oh!! BTW-- I found 2 new spin on fuel filter housings for the secondary DD units. I was advised against the spin on lube units-- they always leak and the cartridges are environmentally friendly. They can be incinerated with no metal debris.FWIW ws
 
Genesis said:
I bet the interior damage to the machinery is amazingly bad tho..... :mad:
Karl, I think you are looking at that with a warm salt water perspective. My experience up here, especially in the upper Great Lakes, is that a sinking usually just cleans the dirt out of the bilge. That, of course, presumes the boat wasn't running when it sank. I believe this one was under tow and probably wasn't running and hopefully was also electrically dead. Hey, that is a great way to service the batteries with some great water.
 
Genesis said:
I bet the interior damage to the machinery is amazingly bad tho..... :mad:
Given that she was aground and the below decks under water in the pristine and always cold waters of Lake Superior, it will be interesting to see if there is little to no damage.

Great Lakes wrecks suffer little of the underwater damage that ocean vessels suffer. This is due to the "sweetwater" nature of the Great Lakes, lacking the salt and the aggressive marine life, although we now have zebra mussels.

Please note that a human body was finally found near the 1975 wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, which is the first reported such sighting of a body (allowed reporting- may have been some sightings not allowed to be reported). It was discovered around year 1995-2000 (guess) about 100 feet forward of the bow on the floor of Lake Superior, during the very last approved dive. However, after review of the body and partially recovered effects (a life preserver), it was determined that the body was probably from a tug that went down in a storm about 1913! So not from the Fitzgerald and had not significantly deteriorated.

So a thorough drying may bring much of the Seneca's gear back to life. But the fact that the gear is very aged, may be the major issue, provided some gear does suffer irreperable damage.

Will watch with interest.
 
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FWIW, I just discovered that Franz is the founder and a board of directors member of a maritime museum, "Northeastern Maritime Historical Foundation", in Duluth, MN I believe.

In a small world story, one of the tugs in the NMHF "fleet" is a true steam powered tug dating from the late 1800's, the Reiss, which by now they have renamed to her original name, the "Q. A. Gillmore". The genesis of Q. A. Gillmore I strongly believe was my great-great-great Uncle, Quincy Adams Gillmore. Uncle Quincy was a General in the Union Army during the Civil War and graduated first in his class from West Point. If you ever see the movie, "Glory", that was a troop under his command.

Just a note for the record... :)
 
I am having lunch with Franz today and will surely pass this on. Do you have a pic of GGGramps for the pilothouse? The boat is in Saugatuck Mi for now due to low water and will be moved in the spring to Duluth / Ashland Wi. to be displayed at the ore dock museum pending funding / red tape. Enjoy a visit to the site found here: http://www.northeasternmaritime.org/ ws
 
Photos (I hope) are from Civil War photos.net...
http://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/usos.htm

The QA Gillmore photo is:
http://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/cartes_de_visite_images/c59.jpg

Oddly enough, I have probably seen the Q.A. Gillmore several times over the years in Saugatuk, but she was named the Reiss at that time and may still be, until moved.

P.s., my father, Quincy Charles Leslie, of Cheboygan, MI, now 89 YOA, observed in a printout from the NMHF web site that I made, that the Q. A. Gillmore was built in Cleveland. During the time of and after the Civil war, the Gillmore's owned quite of bit of land in the Cleveland area and Q. A. Gillmore was fairly well known, i.e. his name is imprinted on the the War Memorial in downtown Cleveland; he had commanded up to 40,000 troops in the war. So that would lend further credence to the naming of the tug after him.

The association with the Leslie family, was that my Great-Great Grandfather, Daniel Seth Leslie, a Captain in the Union army, married Quincy A. Gillmore's sister. Also, Q. A. Gillmore was married twice, the second marriage to the sister of General Braxton Bragg (maybe- my father says yes), whose name was the basis for naming Ft. Bragg, as far as I know. Although Bragg was in the Confederate Army, he was a West Point grad, as well.

The eldest family member I ever knew though, was my Great-Grandmother on my mother's side, who was born about 1880. Freaks me out now that I am older and realize how long ago that was.
 
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My old man used to call that "bein' around the horn". Sounds like we have some cannon fodder against those cessationists below the Mason-Dixon line !
I'll pass this along to Franz--Im sure he'll get a kick out of this ! He's bound for Manistee to pick up another engineer and head back here. They will run the little harbor boat TOMMY B to Manistee and get a free deep water dock for the winter at the guys house. I might ask him for a cheap slip for the 58' when the time comes.
We also discussed pulling the offset FAULK out of the NICOLE S and putting it in the SENECA-- no more D/E YIPPEE !! Just a 15 ton gear box. :confused:
NIC S has a 12-567A with a broken crank. Plans are for now to keep the SENECA for a harbor boat only-3 mile coast wise endorsement.
 

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