Help with my short list.

[Funat50]

I have read a lot of the post, particularly for "Curisealot" and would like to share my info and ask for some feedback and opinions, don't hold back.

I'm looking for a CPMY with the following features. (I'm leaning toward the 52CMY, 58YF, 63CMY).

Cockpit, Aft deck, 3-stateroom, easy handling 1 or 2max, price 200k-400k.
I will cruise southeast, with family, rare passage to islands, not in a hurry.

The 52CMY: Pro-Seems the smallest available that meets criteria, later models. Con-No lower steerage, smallish staterooms.

The 58YF: Pro-Low cost, Manageble size, larger salon, and aft deck, lower steering, larger owners cabin, good selection on market. Con-Older boat, maintenance concerns.

The 63CMY-Pros-very roomy, later models. Con-Higher price, managibility.

I would consider a boat that needed interior upfits as opposed to one that looks great inside. Knowing my wife and the houses we've owned no matter how nice she'll get the bug to redecorate. We once bought a house that she said "only needed new wallpaper in the kitchen", after a year of remodeling, adding 50% to the footage and spending 1/2 the purchase price we moved in.

I'm also interested in the associated operational cost and ongoing maintenance for these three models and they're fuel economy.

Is now a good time to buy or are we on the cusp more price reductions?

All comments appreciated:

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Just a couple of quick comments:

The 52CMY is a totally different hull than the 58YF or the 63CMY. The 52 is a deep-v and it is not as well suited to displacement cruising. That boat was designed as a planing hull and it's sea-keeping at slow speeds will not be as good as the others you are considering. If you want to cruise at 20kts, this is your boat.

The 63CMY is a wide-beam (18'2") hull. This boat is substantially bigger than the 58YF or the 52CMY. Think about where you might take her and the width of slips, etc. She will cost more to own and operate as she is a larger boat. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as you get all kinds of interior room, but you must consider how you are going to use the boat.

The 58YF is probably one of the best designs out there for single handling or running as a couple. The pilothouse affords easy access to the side decks and spring lines while the complete walk around deck makes it easy for the mate to attach fenders, etc. They are older, but if you are patient, you can probably find a nice 58YF that has been maintained well.

 

[Funat50]

Thanks, that's just the kind of info I'm looking for. The 52 sure looks nice but we would be in a Trawler if I could find one I like. The 58YF has special appeal as they are priced competitively and I could still put in more for upgrades and not kill my budget. The 58YF seemed to have been a pretty long production run.
On another note, I'm in Greensboro, NC 15 miles from the original Hatteras plant. I have a letter on my wall to Hatteras of High Point as they were one of my first customers iin 1984.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

The 52 is a nice boat. A friend of mine is currently going through a divorce and his 52 is for sale. It is a heavy, deep draft boat for it's size and it really runs great at 20kts. The back deck is large and the salon and dinette are spacious and open. The downside is that you have no bow seat, no fixed windshield with wiper, no walk-in engine rooms, and the bridge seating is too low for guests to see out well. Also, the galley is narrow and the refrigerator is small for a boat this size.

Go look at one for yourself. You might be surprised at which model you like best. Everyone has his own preferences and priorities. Your best bet is to look at a couple examples of each model that you are considering. After that you can narrow it down to one and then really get down to business finding the best one out there.

 

[Glory]

I have read a lot of the post, particularly for "Curisealot" and would like to share my info and ask for some feedback and opinions, don't hold back.

I'm looking for a CPMY with the following features. (I'm leaning toward the 52CMY, 58YF, 63CMY).

Cockpit, Aft deck, 3-stateroom, easy handling 1 or 2max, price 200k-400k.
I will cruise southeast, with family, rare passage to islands, not in a hurry.

The 52CMY: Pro-Seems the smallest available that meets criteria, later models. Con-No lower steerage, smallish staterooms.

The 58YF: Pro-Low cost, Manageble size, larger salon, and aft deck, lower steering, larger owners cabin, good selection on market. Con-Older boat, maintenance concerns.

The 63CMY-Pros-very roomy, later models. Con-Higher price, managibility.

I would consider a boat that needed interior upfits as opposed to one that looks great inside. Knowing my wife and the houses we've owned no matter how nice she'll get the bug to redecorate. We once bought a house that she said "only needed new wallpaper in the kitchen", after a year of remodeling, adding 50% to the footage and spending 1/2 the purchase price we moved in.

I'm also interested in the associated operational cost and ongoing maintenance for these three models and they're fuel economy.

Is now a good time to buy or are we on the cusp more price reductions?

All comments appreciated:

I have a 1973 58YF for 5 years and my family and I love the boat. Ours is stabilized, and it makes a signifant differance in a beam sea, this is somethiong you should consider if purchasing a 58 YF, tall boat with a beam, of 15'10", skinny by todays standards.

I have found that at 15 knots the burn is about 33 gallons an hour, at 10 knots the burn is 11 GPH. These numbers are both engines, 435 HP 8V71s, the standard power for a '73.

Since I have the boat I've done a blister job, paint job, added a windlass, tender davit, tender, transom door, and in the process of adding a hardtop.

I have had several types of boats from several manfactures, with out a doubt
my 58YF is a vessel of quality.

I live on Long Island in NY and only get to boat 6-7 months a year.

Hope this is helpful. please feel free to reach if you have any 58YF questions.

JM

 

[Funat50]

The age of the 58YF is an issue, and moving to a 61 or 63 for all that room is a real plus. The 52CMY looks great and still my 1st choice. When you sit down and list out the pros and cons they all have they're good and bad features. Finding out what you can realistically change or fix, versus living without the feature or with the problem will be the exercise of the decision process. Seems alot like finding a wife.

 

[yachtbrokerguy]

"Seems a lot like finding a wife"

A boat is always cheaper than a wife.

While on the boat and wife analogy, I like to quote another broker from many years ago. "When a guy is selling his boat, it is like getting a divorce, he does not want to spend any money on her."

 

[Funat50]

Any 63CMY owners with input? How they handle, issues, special features? Also, can anyone compare the value of a cockpit to the sportdeck?

 

[Funat50]

Re: 58 YF

After a lot of looking at photos and specs it seems the 58Yacht Fisherman fits my profile the best. Ideally I'd like a late model 53MY with a 4-5 cockpit extension. Since that was not a production run and i haven't found such a mod the 58YF seems the way to go. If anyone has one for sell or know of a good condition one please let me know.

 

[hyperfishing]

Check Yacht world again, do a search for Hatteras up to 60 feet. There are a couple of 59/60 footers around that are "extended" 53 motoryachts. Pretty tough to beat all these old hatteras for timeless design and quality. They will still look good and be desirable in another thirty years. The 58 foot Hat cockpit motoryacht is another favorite of ours, but no rear side decks.

 

[Funat50]

I did, found 2, only one exceptable. My thinking is that I can find an older 75-79 53MY with some issues for $150k. Then I spend 50k on upfits.
If interior is OK then probably will need to spend on mechanical.
If mechanical OK then probably need to update galley, decor, and heads.
If those OK then problably needs exterior paint and cushions.
If looks good and mechanically sound then need to add cockpit.
They all need something, just need to decide where to spend the extra bucks.

 

[Pascal]

it's hard to beat the 58YF... flush deck, pilot house, large aft AND cockpit... it has it all except the wider beam which may cause issues with finding slips and also increase fuel burn at hull speed.

personally, i don't like the lower saloon on the 52... sorry! you loose a lot of space... you also loose ventilation and having the saloon and aft deck on one level. The lower helm makes a huge difference in handling... the 53, 58 and any MY with lower helm and side doors even up 70+ can easily be single handed. without a lower helm, you have to get down and go forward to get to your spring lines... not ideal.

With prices dropping, the larger CMY are now more affordable (in the 60s range) they have more beam and more modern looks...

my favorite features : 1)- lower helm 2)- big aft deck 3)- cockpit 4)- side decks (not just for line handling but for ventilation on the aft dekc... HUGE difference)

 

[Funat50]

I think it's going to have to be an original 58YF or a 53MY that has been extended. It doesn't seem to be hardly any difference. Would probably consider a 58YF first but they're aren't a lot to pick from. An extended 53 would be nice for a little more room, particularly in the master. Still looking so any feedback is appreciated.