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Hart Tank Tender Causes Fuel Leak

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I gave it away in the title, but thought I'd post this problem in case some one else runs into it.

I've been chasing a mysterious intermittent fuel leak for almost a year. It would appear after refuelling and initially showed up on the battery shelf in front of the starboard engine. We were pondering a fill hose leak because that was the closest source of fuel, but we ruled that out! In desperation I took a mechanic out for a check ride this week. First I stoppped for a fill up, then ran about five miles at speeds from idle to 2000 rpm. Nada. No leak. We tied up and went about getting dinner. Later we smelled diesel. There was a puddle behind the starboard engine. WTH?

Following another careful inspection, there was still no obvious source. We had already changed the fuel manifold valves and the sleeves on the Westerbeke injection pump (both minor leak sources). So I began taking close up pictures all around the engine space and viewing them on the computer. I was surprised to find the thin plastic tubing from the Hart gage to the aft tank had fuel in it. Double WTH, this tube should only have air in it, but this gage had failed on that tank and I never worried about it. The mechanic dissasembled the tank fitting and blew back on the tube and found a chafed area right above that battery shelf. The hole was quite large on this small tube.

It sure looks like the fuel ran down the formica battery shelf into the dead space below and then aft via a glassed in pipe to the bilge compartment behind the engine. The only explanation we have for fuel in the tube is after a run, the heat in the ER warmed the fuel and airspace in the tank and pushed fuel up into the tube and started a siphon. The vent is clear, but probably has a puddle of fuel in it which could allow just a bit of pressure to develop in the tank system. When everything cools after a few days, the contraction in the tank would pull the fuel out of the line. Leak stops.

While on the subject of the Hart monitor, the tank fittings on the holding tank are poorly designed/engineered. Mine have corroded apart and failed three times in five years. This brass and waste are not compatible. The monitor for the water tank is also acting strange and I'm planning to change out all the tubing in the whole system as soon as I can locate a source for the right tube.

Bobk
Chateau de Mer
1981 48MY
 
As I've said on here before I dont trust plastic lines or piping on the boat. I dont think you have a choice with the Hart system but imagine if it was a pressure line to a gauge.
 
By co-incidence, I was going to post about my Tank Tender. Hope you can sort yours out soon. I assumed (BAD thing to do right!) that my Tank T was working properly as I had watched it after a full fuel up on all the tanks (4). Only one was not operative. Well a few months later I am heading out for a long trip fishing with my son and check the tanks etc. enough fuel plus spare for safety. We had a great day, came back late after a good 12 hours and I let my son on the helm through the Seaway (inlet) to get some experience. I had checked the fuel again before our return BTW.
30 minutes after getting through the Seaway, we could hear the generator shut down and then engines choke. I ran down to the ER, quickly changed to a small auxiliary tank, primed the fuel through the racors and to get us home.
Point is the Hart Tank Tender is totally inaccurate on all the tanks, plus it is only a year or so old.
I will put gauges on those tanks I can access to view them. Very disappointed.
Anyone have a suggestion why the system shows totally wrong measurements?
Plus, of course, now I have no trust.
Hope I am not hi-jacking your thread.
Cheers.
 
the Hart system is just a basic Manometer measuring inches of water column. If their is a leak that allows fluid into the pneumatic lines it will be inacurate. I have a 3/4" pipe plug in each tank and check the fuel with a graduated stick. Its highly acurate and failproof. Also I never run both engines off the same tank.
 
I've never had a problem with mine. It's connected to three fuel tanks, two water tanks and the holding tank. Holding tank tube got clogged once and we replaced it, but otherwise its done well.

That said, I always check the fuel gauges that are hard mounted to the tanks for verification.

Thanks for posting. I'll do an inspection of the tubes this weekend.
 
I also have the Hart on all 5 tanks with no problems at all. It is accurate within just a few gallons. Love it.
 
Like most things since its a field install, that the installer could cause most of the problems
 
I got some replacement nylon tubing for the unit (Grainger) and removed the old damaged run. To my surprise, the old tubing was brittle near the break. It did not fail by chafe or bending. This is probably caused by engine room heat and maybe battery proximity. The area away from the battery was not as brittle, and the part that was under the lower helm (cool) was still tough.

Worth inspecting applications near a battery.

Bobk
 
I keep trying to tell you guys this plastic and pvc tubing is no good on the boat. If you keep stuff as long as I do you find out what lasts and what dosen't.
 
I would prefer a metal tube myself, but this system is engineered with 1/8" nylon pneumatic tube and the fittings would not work with copper.

Bobk
 
I would prefer a metal tube myself, but this system is engineered with 1/8" nylon pneumatic tube and the fittings would not work with copper.

Bobk

I know its one of those things that needs to be put on a inspection and replacement cycle.
 

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