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My marina recently upgraded to new fuel pumps. Whenever I fill up the fuel comes out the vents even when the tanks are not full. I have to hold the pump handle very lightly to get slow enough flow to stop this from happening. Every now and then this happens at other marinas, but it is very pronounced now at my marina. Has anyone else had this problem? Curious how to resolve or maybe cannot be?
 
It’s all about flow rate. Pumps nowadays are faster than they were 40 years ago.

I fuel with a delivery barge here in Miami and they can adjust pump speed to my needs. For my 53 we usually run 30gph. The lazzara 116 I run can take 50/60GPH. Some marinas which cater to both small and large boats can adjust pump speed

If that s not an option you best bet is to prevent fuel From spitting thru the vent. There are some gizmos that you can put on the vent line in the ER to catch any fuel that makes it up there. Never tried that. What I had done on my 53 years ago was to put valves in the ER to switch the vent to a flexible hose which I would run on deck by the fillers thru the ER vent and catch the spit up there.

When I repowered and replaced the 50 year old filler hoses, I rerouted them thru the salon floor inside the wall into a fiberglass box built into the wall about 2 feet above deck. Same with the vents. This allows me to catch any spill on deck instead of going over board. The box has a cover so when it’s closed you barely see it s in there

I know a little bit of diesel on the water will quickly evaporate but nowadays some marinas do not tolerate any spill no matter how small.
 
30 gph would take 24 hours to fill 700 gallons to fill was it really that slow?
 
I had this problem on one tank. The screen in the vent was missing and the mud whatever's had partially blocked the vent tube. It was a pain to remove to clean out because of the loop I could not use a snake, air from the tank end didn't work either.

Walt Hoover
 
If the vent lines have a belly somewhere they can fill with fuel and spray out even though the tank isn’t full. Make sure the lines drain back to the tanks
 
Gallons per minute ...............
 
I bought the gizmo that you put in the fuel fill and on which you put the pump nozzle in the top of the gizmo. I was not impressed. Has anyone else tried this device?

I also have a Davis No_Spill- it uses suction cups to attach it to ther hull wall so that it covers the tank vent. It works pretty well. It isn't sealed to the side of the boat, so a little fuel can run down the side, but it does catch a lot. I have also taken an engine room diaper and put a hole in it and put the bowser through it.
 
I think he means something similar to a p-trap that you have under your sinks. The u shape in the line keeps air from moving back and forth. The p-trap keeps sewer odors from coming through the drain into the living space.
 
what is a belly in the line?
Belly; A low spot or dip, in the vent hose. It captures fuel like a trap and air can not pass easily. Vent lines need to be pretty vertical to keep this from happening.

Make sure the lines drain back to the tanks
A good loop with the vent hose or tube over the hull vent will stay clear and not allow green water to come in. Like a big loop for bilge pumps.

Also how does that fuel air vent work and where does it install?

The Racor vent / trap mounts vertical in the vent line (before the loop). An internal float closes the line when fuel comes up to it.
 
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They make a whistle you can put in the vent line. It whistles when air moves through. When it quits you are either full or have fuel about to come out of vent. I used to have a link but cant find it
 
It doesn't hurt to clean out the tank vent but there's like a 99% chance there's nothing wrong with your boat. High-flow pumps are a relatively recent addition at most places, if the boat wasn't designed for it you just have to go slower. As to getting fuel in the water, boats from the 2000's back were all designed so when you saw fuel come out the vent you knew it's full. There was always some minimal amount that will get in the water. Nowadays with all the new rules and regulations some fuel docks act like you just shot somebody if you get 3 drops in the water. Technically if there's a visible sheen they're supposed to report it to the coast guard. They're not allowed to use dawn dish soap in a bottle to disperse it anymore, allegedly that causes it to sink and contaminate the bottom.

My home marina isn't insane and doesn't give you a bunch of B.S. about this. Most of them still don't. But some do. I do carry a bottle of dawn dish soap mixed with water in a spray bottle so by the time they'd notice it the sheen is gone. I doubt there's some super important endangered species that's chosen to make it's home under fuel docks. If there is, maybe there's a reason it's endangered.

None of the gadgets that are supposed to stop this issue are going to work that well on these boats. They have long fill hoses and the tank vents are several feet down from the fill ports. Gravity is still gravity, some fuel is always going to come out no matter how vigilant you are about cutting the handle off when you see that first splutter from the vent. Once the tank's full to where it's sputtering out the vent, there's no way to stop what was already on its way down the fill hoses from going down into the tank and then out the vent. It's the design, it's just going to happen.
 
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One of the worst things is that on many new boats the builders add charcoal filters on the vents to prevent fumes from leaving the tanks. I had this issue a few years ago on a 15’ walker bay rib. After about a year we started having issues refueling with gas splashing out of the filler no matter how slow we d try. While checking the vent line I found the filter/canister and got rid of it. Problem solved. Another one of these stupid new regulations I guess where to prevent some fumes getting out we ended up dumping gas in the water.

It’s not difficult to avoid over flow when the tank is full and you don’t need to fill the tanks till they are 100% full. Whenever i refuel, I use a calibrated stick to see how many gallons each tank will take. I stop when the tank is about 90% full, then take another reading to double check and continue to about 95% capacity at a slower rate.

Nowadays with everyone ready to take a picture of anythjng and making a stink on social media, you have to be a little more careful.
 
Thanks this is quite helpful. My problem is when the tank is far from full it comes out the vent. I believe the culprit is the super new and fast pump installed at my marina. I am familiar with over filling situation, which I typically avoid by listening to the vent. Those Racors might do the trick.
 
Ask the marina how fast their pump is or time the first 10 gallons. On my 53 Incan go much faster than 25-30gpm
 

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