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Ft. Hood Tragedy

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Sorry to have to say this but another Muslim kills people and they don't call it a terrorist attack. Yes, I know he was an American but when are we going to wake up to the fact that the muslims hate us. I have never owned a gun before however am going out today to buy one. Time for the government to profile, profile, profile!!!!! We need the FBI in the mosques finding out what these people are up to and we need to do it now!!!! Call me a rasist if you want, I call myself a realist.
 
I have never owned a gun before however am going out today to buy one.

Good for you. Just be aware that some ammo is very hard to find these days, especially 9mm. Make sure to buy something that you can get ammo for. Also, if you live a state that has a reasonable concealed-carry law, you should think about getting a permit to carry. Most require a class with some range time, but that is not a bad idea to have that training anyway.
 
Get a gun. Nothing has the same welcoming sound as the racking and chambering of a 12 gage pump shotgun.

An armed society is a polite society.
 
The real tragedy is that this guy was apparently PUBLISHING his beliefs that equated suicide bombers with martyrs and the (heroic) guy who threw himself on a grenade (tossed by ANOTHER nutball!) to save his buds in Iraq!

How the hell does someone like that REMAIN in the military and not wind up with a dishonorable (or at least "less than honorable") discharge?
 
Sorry to have to say this but another Muslim kills people and they don't call it a terrorist attack. Yes, I know he was an American but when are we going to wake up to the fact that the muslims hate us. I have never owned a gun before however am going out today to buy one. Time for the government to profile, profile, profile!!!!! We need the FBI in the mosques finding out what these people are up to and we need to do it now!!!! Call me a rasist if you want, I call myself a realist.
I call you a realist.

I hadn't heard the bit Karl posted, but it sounds like somebody dropped the ball on this one, big time. And this was the guy who was counseling our guys who had been fighting the ragheads?
 
It just doesn't surprise me anymore. Could not believe it when I saw his name. You have to wonder how in the hell did someone like that get in our military. Hell I believe we elected a racial mulism for president so this kind of stuff should not be a surprise. Or at least someone did. I definitely did not. Sometimes I really fell like we have lost total control of our own country and we will never again see it like it was when we were growing up. Would love to relive the 60's again.
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When I was in US Army Infantry Officer Candidate School in 1967, one of the guys in our company expressed his opinion that the US had no business in Vietnam. As future infantry officers, we were all well aware that we were going to Vietnam and we did not appreciate his viewpoint, which we took to be un-American. He was pulled out of the class and investigated by military authorities. I do not know if he continued in the army after that - whether he was discharged, reinstated in another class, or what.

But the point is that the military looked into his comments and background. They don't appear to be doing that today.

Ironically, with the benefit of hindsight, I totally agree that we had no business in Vietnam and am a little embarrassed at how upset most of us were with our classmate's comments. But publicly expressing viewpoints that oppose US policy while in the military is not a good thing and, IMHO, should not be acceptable. The military has a job to do and that job is determined by the government. Although sadly sometimes the job gets reversed during the same conflict.

Of course, one could argue that the SS was just "doing their job" as they exterminated "enemies of the Reich." And, in a strict sense of it - "following orders" - I guess they were. But the US Army has always made a big deal about "illegal orders," such as those issued by Lt William Calley at My Lai. I met Lt Calley at Ft Benning in 1969 (after my first tour in VN) and he and I and a couple other LTs had a drink at the O-club. Seemed like a nice guy.

Just goes to show that you never know how people are going to react in any given situation. And I learned in combat that you just can't tell. I saw big badass jocktypes turn to crybabies while some geeky kid who wouldn't have lasted 2 seconds with one of them in a schoolyard fight, single-handedly attacks a bunkered machine gun and kills 4-5 bad guys.

Frankly, In this case, I don't think anything about the muslim association. Hey, Timothy McVeigh, a good 'ol American boy, killed a LOT more people when he blew up the Federal building in OKC. My impression is that this Major was simply a coward. He knew he was scheduled to go to the middle east and was afraid to go into a combat area. This despite the fact that he would never have seen any actual combat. He was scared and he couldn't deal with it. Ironic especially since he was a counsellor for battle trauma. It's sad that no one took his disagreement with the policy more seriously and people just standing in line had to die because of it.

It also again makes me strongly believe that anyone who deals with combat vets in regards to psychological issues who HASN'T been in combat, has no idea what he/she is doing.

AND ANOTHER THING... a football game (or any other sport/game) is NOT a war...so the next time you hear one of these fools for announcers say "Hey, it's a war out there on the field today," have the respect for vets to turn to some other channel.

Sorry for getting a bit wound up and rambly. ;)
 
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How the hell does someone like that REMAIN in the military and not wind up with a dishonorable (or at least "less than honorable") discharge?

I will tell you that it's because too many people, especially senior officials, are afraid of being charged with harassment or being accused of anything racial.

I agree with you, this guy should have been ‘Patton Slapped’ and locked up a traitor BEFORE he took the action (gone postal) that most people around him figured he would.
 
My impression is that this Major was simply a coward. He knew he was scheduled to go to the middle east and was afraid to go into a combat area. This despite the fact that he would never have seen any actual combat. He was scared and he couldn't deal with it. Ironic especially since he was a counsellor for battle trauma. It's sad that no one took his disagreement with the policy more seriously and people just standing in line had to die because of it.
With all due respect, it would seem this guy may have had a problem with putting fellow Muslims in his gun sights either directly or indirectly. It was nice of him to mention Allah before killing all these innocent people.
 
I hate to admit this, but when I first heard of this on the news I was looking for his name, figuring it was gonna’ be Islamic. I wasn’t surprised that it was.
 
Hold on tight the ride is just beginning. Some moron shot up downtown Orlando today.


ORLANDO, Fla.— A gunman opened fire Friday in the offices of an engineering firm where he was let go more than two years ago. At least six people were hurt and police were searching for a gunman in a sport utility vehicle.

People streamed out of the 16-story Legion Place office building around lunchtime and some told local television stations they had barricaded themselves inside their offices.

Orlando Fire Department District Chief Michael Droege said an unknown number of people were still in the building and could be injured. He said the SWAT team was trying to pull people out.

"The building is not secure now," he said. "It's still unfolding."

Orlando police spokeswoman Barbara Jones identified the gunman as Jason Rodriguez, 40, and said he might be in a 2002 silver Nissan SUV with license plate D119UX. She said he used to work at the building but did not say where or when he left.
 
OK ... I know you folks see "Bertramp" on this and are gonna start to groan, but ...... this guy shoulda been checked out a long time ago. It's not just the name (because I think Kareem Abdul Jabaar is pretty safe), but he voiced his views and was very distant from the other soldiers as a result. In reality ... some amount of profiling is definitely needed and I see this as somebody dropped the ball and it cost people their lives.
 
"it would seem this guy may have had a problem with putting fellow Muslims in his gun sights either directly or indirectly."

He would have been a REMF (Rear Echelon - you can figure out the MF part) as we used to call them and would never have seen a bad guy through a gun sight though I suppose he could have been on the receiving end of a mortar/rocket round as he worked in his air conditioned office/quarters. (One of my favorite quotes from Vietnam was from a friend who was a USAF air traffic controller in Bien Hoa..."Hey you guys were out in the field but we never knew every night when we went to bed if we'd wake up dead because of a rocket or mortar." Oh PUHLEASE! :)

However, you do have a point that by going there he was "supporting" the war but I still don't get his shoot everybody part. All that does is mobilize feeling even more against muslims. I mean from what I've read/heard - he wasn't like some fanatic preaching fire and brimstone against US involvement. I think he was fine with it...until he had to face what he perceived as personal danger. I mean if he wanted to shoot somebody "responsible," then why bother with folks just doing their out-country processing?

My first reaction was, "Why isn't he dead? Poor shooting on someone's part, we need to schedule more time on the range!" But because he isn't perhaps they will be able to learn just what WAS going on in his head.
 
Hard to see how Obama can be held directly accountable for this one.
 
McVeigh may have killed more people but afaik he wasn't a "devout" christian and in any case didn't yell Christ is Great when he pressed the button...

When you add the number of innocent people killed by male muslims, the numbers speak for themselves.

unfortunately, i'm afraid these 13 or 14 people were kileld by political correctness, in other words i woudnt' be surprised if it was considered racial profiling to investigate this guy and that's why these red flags were ignored.
 
"it would seem this guy may have had a problem with putting fellow Muslims in his gun sights either directly or indirectly."

He would have been a REMF (Rear Echelon - you can figure out the MF part) as we used to call them and would never have seen a bad guy through a gun sight though I suppose he could have been on the receiving end of a mortar/rocket round as he worked in his air conditioned office/quarters. (One of my favorite quotes from Vietnam was from a friend who was a USAF air traffic controller in Bien Hoa..."Hey you guys were out in the field but we never knew every night when we went to bed if we'd wake up dead because of a rocket or mortar." Oh PUHLEASE! :)

However, you do have a point that by going there he was "supporting" the war but I still don't get his shoot everybody part. All that does is mobilize feeling even more against muslims. I mean from what I've read/heard - he wasn't like some fanatic preaching fire and brimstone against US involvement. I think he was fine with it...until he had to face what he perceived as personal danger. I mean if he wanted to shoot somebody "responsible," then why bother with folks just doing their out-country processing?

My first reaction was, "Why isn't he dead? Poor shooting on someone's part, we need to schedule more time on the range!" But because he isn't perhaps they will be able to learn just what WAS going on in his head.
Yeah, I thought this guy was dead based on what I saw last night. As for him being a coward, it seems he was OK going to Afghanistan, but not Iraq. Go figure.
 
My first reaction was, "Why isn't he dead? Poor shooting on someone's part, we need to schedule more time on the range!"
Because the female soldier who shot him was wounded?

I wonder how he feels about that, considering how they view women.

On another note; A guy I went to school with made an interesting observation once. He said that people who study psychology get into it trying to solve their own problems. They never do, but once they graduate with a degree in psychology they have to earn a living. :eek:

He was a psych major himself. Makes you wonder.
 
The woman who took him down needs the Congressional Medal of Honor.

She probably won't get it, but she damn well should.
 
Now, if there were a few others there carrying there personal weapons maybe there'd been less death and the bad guy put down quicker.
 
"The woman who took him down needs the Congressional Medal of Honor"

I'm afraid I cannot agree with that. The CMH is our highest combat award and light years above what this situation calls for from a military award point of view. If this was a combat situation she would get a purple heart for the wound but that's it because she was doing her job. There was no "above and beyond" involved. If every soldier who shot an "enemy" received an award for doing so it would be sort of silly since that is, of course, the army's job - kill the enemy.

However, given the politics, I will not be surprised if she receives an award that, by guidelines, is higher than the act merits. I could see stretching the "combat" point and awarding the purple heart and perhaps an Army Commendation medal. Anything above that, IMHO, is inappropriate and a slap to folks in combat. I wrote up a fair number of recommendations for combat awards but shooting a bad guy was not a qualification since that's what they pay you to do.

And remember, EVERYBODY in the army goes through basic training. Everybody learns how to shoot. So even if you are an army cook, it can become your job at a moment's notice. If she had a gun on duty I assume she was an MP...it's the police.
 
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