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Ethanol/Diesel

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A friend on a car site noted that a few days ago he pulled into a filling station in Boulder, Colorado and the Diesel pump had a label just like the gas pumps stating that the fuel contained up to 10% Ethanol. He was totally blown away. A few weeks earlier, when last he refilled the truck with diesel, the label was not on the D pump.

Anyone else seen Diesel with Ethanol? I'm sure the gas-powered Hatt guys are less than sympathetic to the possibility...
 
Somebody put the sticker on all the pumps without thinking. There's no ethanol diesel.... yet.
 
Somebody put the sticker on all the pumps without thinking. There's no ethanol diesel.... yet.



They can't grow enough corn and grain for livestock feed but yet its still in the gas :p

So Diesel next I think to many people know its a loser!!!!!
 
Bio diesel is already the "self sustaining" equivalent in the diesel world. I don't see how ethanol would work in diesel, chemically speaking.
 
It doesn't work worth a pinch of guano in gasoline either, but there's a huge political lobby pushing it. They've got their eye on putting it in diesel fuel too.
 
I just read that there is a "e"diesel containing 10 to 15% ethanol for off road use, furtunately because of the flash point and explosion danger I dont think we will be seeing it at the marinas soon. Us Hatteras owners better hope so anyway, you Bertram owners two!
 
I just read that there is a "e"diesel containing 10 to 15% ethanol for off road use, furtunately because of the flash point and explosion danger I dont think we will be seeing it at the marinas soon. Us Hatteras owners better hope so anyway, you Bertram owners two!

Don't 'hope', write your elected idiots and tell them what you think. It probably does no good, but I write one of mine almost weekly to give him a piece of my mind on issues where I think he is off base.

Bob
 
George,
Thanks for the reference to the site which sets things straight, but more than a little Orwellian. I found this quote appropriate.

“Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. ”
― George Orwell

In a government whose power is unrestrained, and inevitably coupled to a host of special interests,
It makes perfect sense to add alcohol to diesel.

Regards
 
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I don't know how you'd meet lubricity requirements with that.... and with the newer (e.g. common-rail) engines those requirements are not suggestions either.
 
I don't know how you'd meet lubricity requirements with that.... and with the newer (e.g. common-rail) engines those requirements are not suggestions either.

That didn't stop them from mandating ULSD.
 
Now that Al Gore admits that ethanol in gasoline was actually not the "best " idea..we have some progress...
 
I agree, but I think we are in trouble when we define progress as admitting an idea was sh--ty to begin with. I was never a fan of ethanol in motor fuels, and I still think it was a rotten idea. I fell differently about biodiesel, but I am not sure it is economically sound. But at least it doesn't rot your fuel tanks and make them leak. (note that it DOES evidently redissolve crap in the fuel system and cause it to start migrating around, though)
 
If a politician makes a technical decision, it will be self serving and technically wrong.

Bob
 
Yes and then he or she will blame his or her technical advisors. Which is why advising politicians is a bad business to get into.
 
Yes and then he or she will blame his or her technical advisors. Which is why advising politicians is a bad business to get into.

Is the "bad business" advising politicians, or allowing politicians to manage and control our lives and remove choices?

Is this not another good example of why the problem is the latter?

Regards
 
You might remember hearing about ULSD being very corrosive. Here is the result of one industry study. It appears that maybe ethanol contamination is the culprit. Imagine that.

NEW STUDY RELEASED ON ACCELERATED CORROSION PHENOMENON IN ULSD UST SYSTEMS

MONDAY, September 10, 2012 - A new study involving reports of an unusual phenomenon involving accelerated corrosion in UST systems storing and dispensing ultra low sulfur diesel fuel (ULSD) has just been released. The independent study conducted by Battelle Memorial Institute was funded by PMAA and seven other industry stakeholders who make up the Clean Diesel Fuel Alliance (CDFA). The study was initiated two years ago after a handful of UST operators reported accelerated corrosion occurrences primarily in submersible turbine pumps, drop tubes, sensor probes and dispenser components. The Battelle study sampled six sites nationwide that reported the accelerated corrosion phenomenon in ULSD systems.

The study concluded that corrosion occurring in systems storing and dispensing ULSD is likely due to the dispersal of acetic acid throughout USTs. The acetic acid is likely produced by bacteria feeding on low levels of ethanol contamination. Dispersed into the humid vapor space by the higher vapor pressure and by disturbances during fuel deliveries, acetic acid is deposited throughout the UST system. This results in a cycle of wetting and drying of the equipment which concentrates the acetic acid on metallic equipment causing severe and rapid corrosion.

The source of the low level ethanol contamination present in sampled ULSD tanks is not yet known. Contamination may be occurring in pipelines, terminal systems, cargo tank compartments or manifold vent systems.

It is important to note that this phenomenon is still uncommon and primarily affects system components rather than the tank itself and has not caused any known releases. It is too early to draw definitive conclusions on how ULSD tanks are being contaminated with ethanol or why accelerated corrosion occurs in a very small percentage of ULSD tanks while the majority of ULSD tanks remain largely unaffected.

PMAA and the other stakeholders in the CDFA are currently deciding whether to move forward with further research. Battelle recommends that additional research be focused on samples from a larger and more diverse set of USTs over a longer period of time. The study would sample and monitor ULSD tank systems with and without accelerated corrosion events and investigate the possible source of ethanol contamination.
 
Uh oh...some politician is going to see "bacteria" as the problem and mandate that all fuel now contain one of the "cillins" Wonder how much that will cost? :)
 
Yes, and then we'll have resistant organisms just like we have in people... wonderful. I thought I got a rest from that when I left the ER every day. I guess not.
 
Uh oh...some politician is going to see "bacteria" as the problem and mandate that all fuel now contain one of the "cillins" Wonder how much that will cost? :)

Well if Bacteria is the Problem then they must have water in there :confused:

Well at least that's what many of the Expurts here always said, when I said it can grow without water :p
 

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