Do you think this is for real?

[ralexa6808]

I mean it seems like a really really low price for a 72' 1990's Viking.....
Must be one hell of a divorce.

http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/4967138490.html

 

[av8torrich]

I mean it seems like a really really low price for a 72' 1990's Viking.....
Must be one hell of a divorce.

http://houston.craigslist.org/boa/4967138490.html

Might be the reason for the divorce!

 

[Boatsb]

Might be the reason for the divorce!

$350 k for a 1991 boat is probably reasonable. Especially if they want it sold fast.

That's a lot of boat to maintain.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

Maybe the cockpit addition wasn't done right. Maybe is just that its an old boat sitting in an area that is not the best for selling. I don't think the price is unreasonably low for a Gulfstar/Viking of that vintage.

 

[jim rosenthal]

Could be a bargain, if you want a boat that big. More SF than my house, I bet.

 

[pizzazsdaddy]

It looks like a nice boat for a very fair price. A similar model just sold out of the Naples area for about the same money, in really nice shape with a strong survey. The ad says fresh water boat. Where? If it's Lake Texoma...it will cost another $300,000 to drag it out of there...

 

[Nightingale]

Wisconsin area code, I know the boat and it's pretty nice for that kinda coin.

 

[saltshaker]

Doesn't seem underpriced to me. Old Vikings don't sell well either. May be good value but not a bargain price wise.

 

[SeaEric]

Doesn't seem underpriced to me. Old Vikings don't sell well either. May be good value but not a bargain price wise.

+1. I've just been through an agonizing 2 years marketing a Viking MY of this same profile and vintage. It's a big box with nice amenities, but it's overall appeal to the market is very thin. Price is what sells them. If you buy one of these you need to know in advance what your exit strategy will be. Plan to either give it away when you're done or be buried at sea on it.

 

[Milacron]

+1. I've just been through an agonizing 2 years marketing a Viking MY of this same profile and vintage. It's a big box with nice amenities, but it's overall appeal to the market is very thin. Price is what sells them. If you buy one of these you need to know in advance what your exit strategy will be. Plan to either give it away when you're done or be buried at sea on it.

This one looks in amazingly nice condition but it is the older original Gulfstar design and a bit larger than most folks want. In fact it may not have started out as a 72 footer as the PowerBoat Guide does not show a 72 foot Viking CP MY in that older style.

In fact the new style 72 CP MY, with raised bulwark sides, started in 1990 (new style 65 CP MY started in 1991)...so it would have been very odd to be manufacturing both style boats as CP MY's in the same length, at the same time. I believe most likely this boat started out life with no cockpit and had that added at some point. Also the MAN engines may put some off....I feel ambivalent about MAN's as they are probably nicer than Detroit 2 strokes, but cost a fortune if something breaks.

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Having said all that, it's amazing how inexpensive some Hatteras's are as well, once you get to 70+ feet range. While looking at a 1999 Jefferson 56/60 at Bradford Marine in Lauderdale months ago, just for the heck of it we toured a late 80's Hatteras 74 CP MY they had under the same shed, listed at only $375,000.

Looked beautiful outside...shiny and no obvious problems, so I went aboard thinking it would be a POS inside for that price..but it was amazingly nice... including pristine full beam engine room with hours not too bad. Even had a hot tub on the flybridge..hell, there was room for two hot tubs.... plus real nice RIB dinghy with 40 hp OB, decent electronics, beautiful galley.... all that, and owner would probably have taken $340K for the thing.

 

[Boatsb]

+1. I've just been through an agonizing 2 years marketing a Viking MY of this same profile and vintage. It's a big box with nice amenities, but it's overall appeal to the market is very thin. Price is what sells them. If you buy one of these you need to know in advance what your exit strategy will be. Plan to either give it away when you're done or be buried at sea on it.

We have a customer here that has a 55. It's a big boat for living on. He said he wants to get something smaller to cruise because it's just unwieldy. I think it rides like a mattress on a water bed on shock absorbers.

 

[Milacron]

We have a customer here that has a 55. It's a big boat for living on. He said he wants to get something smaller to cruise because it's just unwieldy. I think it rides like a mattress on a water bed on shock absorbers.

It is high CG for a 55...Naiads are essential....and a bow thruster helps. Also the aluminum window frames seem to be more prone to paint bubbling than on Hatteras's.

But the walk in, full beam, standup engine room sure is nice. Plus huge galley up. Hatteras did similar engine room and galley on the mythical short lived 54ED ( downside being the bizarre Disco interior of mostly white, clear plexiglass and mirrors), but otherwise you have to go much larger to get similar sizes engine room on Hatteras.

 

[saltshaker]

This one looks in amazingly nice condition but it is the older original Gulfstar design and a bit larger than most folks want. In fact it may not have started out as a 72 footer as the PowerBoat Guide does not show a 72 foot Viking CP MY in that older style.

In fact the new style 72 CP MY, with raised bulwark sides, started in 1990 (new style 65 CP MY started in 1991)...so it would have been very odd to be manufacturing both style boats as CP MY's in the same length, at the same time. I believe most likely this boat started out life with no cockpit and had that added at some point. Also the MAN engines may put some off....I feel ambivalent about MAN's as they are probably nicer than Detroit 2 strokes, but cost a fortune if something breaks.

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Having said all that, it's amazing how inexpensive some Hatteras's are as well, once you get to 70+ feet range. While looking at a 1999 Jefferson 56/60 at Bradford Marine in Lauderdale months ago, just for the heck of it we toured a late 80's Hatteras 74 CP MY they had under the same shed, listed at only $375,000.

Looked beautiful outside...shiny and no obvious problems, so I went aboard thinking it would be a POS inside for that price..but it was amazingly nice... including pristine full beam engine room with hours not too bad. Even had a hot tub on the flybridge..hell, there was room for two hot tubs.... plus real nice RIB dinghy with 40 hp OB, decent electronics, beautiful galley.... all that, and owner would probably have taken $340K for the thing.

MANs are the preferred power for most Viking buyers. They are great engines when all is well but you spend a fortune when things need to be fixed. A friend of mine is looking at a 2003 Viking SF. Owner just spent 40K doing the 2000 hour service and nothing was wrong with them. Why did you choose the Viking over that 74 CPMY Hatt at Bradford? Sounds like the Hatt was a good deal.

 

[Milacron]

MANs are the preferred power for most Viking buyers. They are great engines when all is well but you spend a fortune when things need to be fixed. A friend of mine is looking at a 2003 Viking SF. Owner just spent 40K doing the 2000 hour service and nothing was wrong with them. Why did you choose the Viking over that 74 CPMY Hatt at Bradford? Sounds like the Hatt was a good deal.

Holy #$%@&! ...$40K just for service......amazing. I wonder exactly what the tech does that causes the service to be that high ?

MAN's turn up on Vikings after 1992 often enough due to some relationship between the companies. In fact 1000 hp MAN's were standard on the 1993 Viking 65 CP MY we bought, but luckily the original owner opted for 900 hp Detroits on this one.

As to not making an offer on the Hatt 74...at the time I was dead set against going larger than 60 feet and larger than 8v92 engines...so it was just too much to comprehend going that large. Plus Bradford had a contract on it the week after we toured it, so it was no longer available anyway.

I was still wobbly about going 65 feet and 12 cylinder engines, hence my little story about inquiring on the super restored narrow beam Hatt 58 In Harrison Township, MI (Dionysus.. sp?) before I finalized the deal on the Viking.

Having said that, if I had known then that 12v71TA's are not as intimidating as I thought they would be, and that we'd find an excellent dockage at low price per foot I might have tried for the Hatt 74...but I'd still cringe at transient dockage prices, haul out and bottom paint costs, etc, etc...plus those pesky teak handrails to maintain* (the Viking has NO exterior teak)...

Still, that Hatt 74 CP MY was just amazing for the money. If we actually wanted one that big, we would have thought we'd died and gone to heaven. Having said that #2, it's always possible there was a hidden reason it was so low priced...perhaps some serious issue I missed on our brief tour. But I suspect really it's just that once you get above 70 feet everyone else has the same worries that we did about dockage** and future maintenance costs, so that limits the prices they can bring.

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*which of course Dionysus and Nightingale have as well but being shorter, not so much of it !

**Not just the cost per foot but literally where you can dock it...some marinas flat out can't handle a yacht that large. Windmill Harbor on Hilton Head Island, SC for example....it wouldn't fit thru their lock and their longest docks are 70 feet (which is absolute length... including swim platform and bow pulpit.....FWIW, the Viking 65 is 69 feet including everything...that "short" because it has no bow pulpit....the anchor rests thru the bow hanging below, like on a ship)

 

[saltshaker]

I believe the main things are they change the turbos, injectors and go through the heads. Pretty much a top end rebuild. A few years back a neighbor of mine spent 12K doing the 1000 hour service on his 1050HP MANs. I've been told that if they aren't serviced regularly, there are parts that often fail causing major problems. I know there's a check valve in the lube side that will trash the engine when it fails. I know of at least 3 boats that replaced a 12 cylinder MAN after this happened. You'd be amazed how many MAN powered boats out there have one engine that is newer than the other.

 

[Milacron]

I believe the main things are they change the turbos, injectors and go through the heads. Pretty much a top end rebuild. A few years back a neighbor of mine spent 12K doing the 1000 hour service on his 1050HP MANs. I've been told that if they aren't serviced regularly, there are parts that often fail causing major problems. I know there's a check valve in the lube side that will trash the engine when it fails. I know of at least 3 boats that replaced a 12 cylinder MAN after this happened. You'd be amazed how many MAN powered boats out there have one engine that is newer than the other.

Yeah, the MAN's were scary to me before but after hearing what you have to say about them, even more so. *Really* glad I avoided them now.

Sheesh, what is it with the Germans and their technology sometimes ? Generally German machine tools are some of the best, but I owned a 1990 Mercedes 300e with 85K miles many years ago that was the least reliable, most problematic vehicle I've ever owned (and I've owned many dozens of vehicles in my day)

 

[capttonyf]

I believe the main things are they change the turbos, injectors and go through the heads. Pretty much a top end rebuild. A few years back a neighbor of mine spent 12K doing the 1000 hour service on his 1050HP MANs. I've been told that if they aren't serviced regularly, there are parts that often fail causing major problems. I know there's a check valve in the lube side that will trash the engine when it fails. I know of at least 3 boats that replaced a 12 cylinder MAN after this happened. You'd be amazed how many MAN powered boats out there have one engine that is newer than the other.

Case in point, a MAN powered 54 Hatteras I've mentioned on here before that I've run, and sold twice was 1993 with 1995 MAN's. The original 12Cly 1100 HP motors had a couple major issues so MAN replaced them at the Hatteras Factory with 12cly 1200HP motors. When running right they were quiet, smooth and fast but they were expensive to maintain.

We had to be VERY careful with fuel filters because it was like $5000 to adjust the fuel injection system and if it became fouled at all the boat would develope a shudder betwwen idle and 1000 rpm when the motors would change over from 6 to 12 cyl. I believe around 800rpm. Then it would go away from there on up to WOT and would run smooth. I liked the way they performed BUT would never want to own them myself because of how expensive and finicky they are. Like a race engine, great power to weight ratio but they need to be kept in optimum tune. The engine room had a ton more space compared to other 54 Hatteras' I've been on with Detroits or CATS.

Tony

 

[saltshaker]

Tony,
Was that 54C custom ordered with the MANs? That's the only one I've ever seen with them.

 

[capttonyf]

Tony,
Was that 54C custom ordered with the MANs? That's the only one I've ever seen with them.

I'm not sure. I can't remember the name when the 1st owner had it but it was in Puerto Rico. Then a client from Hillsboro area bought it through us and named it "Intermission". Then we sold it to a client in Fort Lauderdale and he named it after his wife, "Mimi III". Not sure where it is now, but I belive there were two with MAN's. The other one had a dark Emerald Green Hull.

Both owners I was involved with loved the boat. The 1st owner sold it with the intension of moving up ended up buying a nearly identicle boat just newer, in a 2001 Hatteras 55. That boat has now since been sold again back in like 2006 and shipped to California to be one of the "Bad Company" boats.

The owner when it was called the "Mimi" loved it also, and used it primarily in FL and the Bahamas, although I did run it to Mexico one winter for him. He ended up having some medical problems and had to get rid of it. I heard it may have possibly became a repo because he was unable to manage it after his medical problems but I'm not 100% sure. I know when he was well he always kept it up perfectly.

Tony

 

[saltshaker]

I'm not sure. I can't remember the name when the 1st owner had it but it was in Puerto Rico. Then a client from Hillsboro area bought it through us and named it "Intermission". Then we sold it to a client in Fort Lauderdale and he named it after his wife, "Mimi III". Not sure where it is now, but I belive there were two with MAN's. The other one had a dark Emerald Green Hull.

Both owners I was involved with loved the boat. The 1st owner sold it with the intension of moving up ended up buying a nearly identicle boat just newer, in a 2001 Hatteras 55. That boat has now since been sold again back in like 2006 and shipped to California to be one of the "Bad Company" boats.

The owner when it was called the "Mimi" loved it also, and used it primarily in FL and the Bahamas, although I did run it to Mexico one winter for him. He ended up having some medical problems and had to get rid of it. I heard it may have possibly became a repo because he was unable to manage it after his medical problems but I'm not 100% sure. I know when he was well he always kept it up perfectly.

Tony

I remember when she sold in '10 and she was not a repo. It did go back on the market a couple of years later. She was a very nice looking boat. I forgot about the green hull one. I think it was named Brave Heart IFRC. I really like that hull. The 54C/55C/60C are among my favorites.