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DD 71 TIB Hours vs Rebuild

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Happy New Year to all.

Need some thought from you DD guys. Looking at a boat with DD 71 TIBs.

Starboard has 1200hrs and the Port has had a major around 1100hrs and now has 50hrs on the major.

I have asked for thorough details on the major, but don't have the info yet.

My question. I've reviewed several threads from different sites regarding 71 TIBs. Some say life expectancy prior to rebuild will be around 1500hrs due to the 485 HP. Others disagree and go back to the standard maintain them, oil them, don't high run...etc.

Does anyone here have 71 TIBs and can provide information or have been around them to help?

Please understand, that I don't have a lot of details on these specific engines yet, but have no plan on moving forward with that and a DD inspection...

Thanks for these fantastic forums!
 
Been patiently waiting for someone to take the bait on this one. Since no one has, I’ll step up and put the target on my back. My experience with diesel engines goes back to age 6; my marine diesel experience is considerably shorter. Either way, I will not attempt to answer your questions with specificity because, in my opinion, they are unanswerable. Others may disagree.

First, there is ample information on the topic posted in many, many threads over a long period of time about DD longevity; the opinions run from soup to nuts and are all probably somewhat right and wrong. Second, how you treat your motors largely determines how long they last. The second part is the easiest. Stay ahead of maintenance; give your motors clean air, oil, coolant, fuel and don’t forget sampling. Stay at or under 80% of loaded WOT for continuous duty; run your engines regularly and bring them up to operating temps when you do so. Don’t load them cold, and don’t shut them down hot.

The third part deals with definitions, and it’s the trickiest. What is a major overhaul anyway? Was it a top end, short block, bottom end, in-frame or …? One yacht broker claimed a major was 12 new injectors and 2 new turbos on a 1271! Did the head(s) get sent out to be checked? Valves? Water jackets? Did they check the head for true? Did the crank get pulled and mic’d and checked for balance or did they just roll in new mains? What about the cooling system, the air charging system? It goes on an on. How about the gears? So what constitutes a major overhaul on a marine diesel? I’ll be damned if I can tell you. Same thing on heavy equipment and farm machinery—it’s just easier to get to everything and record keeping seems to be a lot more important.

When I hear 50 hours SMOH, I think of my recent post on a boat I looked at:

"In 2013 an '80's model 55C came on the market in Charleston for $199K-'both engines recently majored by knowledgeable mechanic.' I estimated it was worth maybe $130K and was laughed at--I was lucky. I forgot about the boat for 2 years, then I saw it at a dock. New listing was $50K OBO. I found out both 1271's had cracked rings SMOH. $30K could have probably bought the boat. Another $75K for complete major and then who knows what else. Caveat emptor bigly."

Well, the boat was owned by the owners of a tugboat company with their own in-house mechanic. The motors had almost no hours SMOH when multiple rings cracked. Likely the mechanic used the wrong tool and stretched or flexed the rings on installing. So unless the “major” was done by a dealer with complete records and maybe a warranty, I’m not too impressed with low hours until the motors have some quality time underway.

So what is a major overhaul?

Then when you’ve figured that out, tell me when a major overhaul is due? How many hours is that? Maybe it’s due when the motors are laying down a smoke screen or maybe just don’t instantly start on a cool morning. Maybe a block heater would help. Would $100 versus tens of thousands influence the number of hours? Maybe your starter is just worn down and won’t give a tired or even a good motor quite enough turns to get going? We are talking about recreational boats after all.

I realize I may come across as talking down to you. I apologize if so. There are just so many ways this could go. How about this? I buy good shoes—Allen Edmonds. I haven’t bought a new pair since the early 1990’s. I keep them shined and put new bottoms on when they’re needed. I’m looking at wearing the same dress shoes for thirty years. Some people can wear a pair of shoes for thirty years and some can wear the same shoes out in no time at all. So how long does a pair of shoes last?

About as specific on a Series 71 as I can get is this: If one motor needed majoring after 1100 hours, something is seriously wrong somewhere.

Batter up.
 
How about this? I buy good shoes—Allen Edmonds. I haven’t bought a new pair since the early 1990’s. I keep them shined and put new bottoms on when they’re needed. I’m looking at wearing the same dress shoes for thirty years. Some people can wear a pair of shoes for thirty years and some can wear the same shoes out in no time at all. So how long does a pair of shoes last?

Batter up.

I wear Allen Edmonds too and agree.

Now on the TIB's. I owned a set and loved them. It all depends on how you run them as to when they need a MOH. Don't over prop and don't lug amd don't run the guts out of them. Run at 1200 rpms or 2200 rpms. Nothing in between except to pass through and don't stay above 2200 for long (note these are not 2250 top rpm engines) ...per advice from Covington when I bought the boat.

By the hours SMOH you mention on the boat you are looking at I am guessing it is a C of some sort They tend to be run hard.
 
Thanks to the responses and straight honesty. I appreciate it.

I have a bit more information since the original post from the owner.

He is gathering the details of the MOH, but stated that was due to a unusual pinhole in the exhaust manifold resulting in spraying of water into the turbo air intake. This was around 1400+hrs in 2014 and since then has 20hrs on the MOH. He gave me the name of the mechanic who was DD certified...unfortunately, I can't talk with him as he died last year. The other engine currently has around 1500hrs. Of course he says they both run great.... I've requested mx records and receipts for the MOH and if that come through, plan on looking at it mid-January.

Regarding the CC model, it is what they call a Sports Sedan, similar to the Hatteras MY, not a convertible....

FYI...the owner has had the boat for nearly a decade and is now a retired MD. Just a hunch (nothing to base it on), but I suspect that when things needed repaired on it, he didn't skimp on expense....
 
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