Check this one out

[luckydave215]

I don't care too much for the excess of white bulkheads, but otherwise...WOW.
And for her condition, she's cheap!
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...k&so=0&n=4%3A1%3A9740%3A9761%3A89&searchtype=

 

[nor'easter]

Looks like a beauty to me. Ohana is still hard to beat in my book!

 

[CARL GUZMAN]

There's a cheaper one over in Miami but who knows what your getting over there?

 

[captddis]

There is a beautiful 1986 in Tarpon Springs that belongs to a customer of mine. Asking 479,000

 

[thoward]

Exterior is nice. I do not get the single rigger line and a tag line . Interior is, well, not my cup of tea but someone must have liked it. I really like the floor in the bridge. I think I have a new project

 

[ThirdHatt]

That does look like a nice boat, but @$650k it is by no means cheap! It is one of the top three most expensive on the market. Many are under $500k and some are well under $400k. Imagine what kind of updates $250-300k will get ya! I think it would be hard to spend anywhere near ~$700k on an early 60C when for ~$800k you can get a 1998 60C. LOTS more speed and those sexy new lines too!

Just my $.02.

 

[luckydave215]

It's easy to invest $700k in a nice 60C, just ask me. With most of the 450~500k boats for sale, there's 250k worth of deferred maintanance or upgrades needed.......soon. I'm not saying every boat needs this, just most. Do you fly all over the world looking at every single one for sale? How many are sensible? How long do you keep at it before you just buy one already?That's why it took me two years to find mine. Those of you looking for 53~58MY's surely have the same issues.

 

[ThirdHatt]

$250k of deferred maintenance? That seems a bit excessive, IMHO. You could get both engines majored and a complete paint job for half that with hardly any shopping around on prices. You could also do two new gens and re-do the interior for maybe $200k total and you'd still have a 1980 boat.

Like I said, once you're in the $700k ballpark to make a 25-30yr old boat look near new, why not buy the 1998-1999 60C that IS near new for $800-900k??? Now you have a 8-9 yr old boat that is easier to insure and sell and you get all the benefits of an extra decade or two of engineering in a current-generation platform not to mention the extra speed. What am I missing here?

 

[luckydave215]

Like I said, once you're in the $700k ballpark to make a 25-30yr old boat look near new, why not buy the 1998-1999 60C that IS near new for $800-900k??? Now you have a 8-9 yr old boat that is easier to insure and sell and you get all the benefits of an extra decade or two of engineering in a current-generation platform not to mention the extra speed. What am I missing here

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The livability of the layout of the older model. Also the weight and seakindly ride at displacement speeds, not to mention the range, important on the west coast.
Not everyone wants to use their sportfisher for tournaments only.
Plus, I think oval windows are ugly, and my Admiral wouldn't have a boat without portholes.
Good luck refitting a boat this size and complexity for cheap. Look at the typical ad with a critical eye. The electronics are old. The bottom probably has 13 coats on it. The props have been reworked too many times. the dingy is old. The davit is 30 years old.
Guess what? A 10 year old boat has the same i$$ues, you can't rebuild the engines, it costs 400k+ more for a nice one, and there's never going to be any portholes.
And they have that retarded round dinette and those crawl-on-the-deck undercounter reefers. Plus you won't find one with an all teak interior, just lots of wallpaper. Sure the interior has lots of style, but if you actually live with it for a while, you'll realize the old one works better at sea. And the older model is a bigger boat by a fair bit. Bigger is better.

 

[ThirdHatt]

AH, now I see what I was missing! I did not know about the lack of portholes! That is strange. I also didn't know that the newer layout was so undesirable. I certainly would not have expected the weight/ride to be so much worse, as it is still a Hatteras and a newer one at that.

Refits are not cheap, you are right. I was using the high "Florida" prices in my guesstimates for paint, engines, gens, and interior. What 25-30yr old boat has a killer new electronics package? Surely not the '81 60C for $650k you posted. No "Glass Bridge" navigation system there. It has an old Nothrstar 952 plotter and two radars. A newer autopilot and sonar is about it. Not too impressive for that much coin.

The electronics package that I am currently installing on my 1972 58YF is more impressive (IMHO) than what's on that $650k 60C. I'm installing: Garmin 4212 12.1" multi-function device (plotter/radar/fishfinder/XM Weather) and a Furuno 64 mile 10.4" NavNet Vx2 radar/plotter/weatherfax/fishfinder and a Coastal 24 Sat TV system. Displays and controls at lower helm duplicated on flybridge. Simrad AP300DL autopilot is 5 yrs old and works fine (both stations).

I disagree that a 8-9 yr old boat would have the same worn out issues you describe though. That would mean a $250k refit every 8-10 yrs, so your boat is due for it's third such refit? Nah. Hatteras boats and equipment last a bit longer than that. Give Hatteras some credit!

 

[thoward]

They did some cool stuff. The tower on most of the 60C's are a PITA, that one goes through the top. I am not sure how that would work in the rain but nice look. Counters in the heads is nice but I do not understand why they did not use the same material in the galley. Great job on the galley sink too. That glass dinette is a bad idea IMHO. The motors have 1800 hours which, is that not about MOH time? It has the old AC units. The davit was updated which I like. They have the cockpit control station which I would love to have...All in all not a bad boat and if they get that kind of price from her I think ole Knotty Maid is going to get a quick refit and go on the market!

 

[jim rosenthal]

Don't forget the six AC units, or is it eight? or is it ten? Dave, how many AC units do you have, all kidding aside? A 53MY has five or six of them, I think.

 

[thoward]

5 with the Enclosed Bridge. 4 without. Do not forget the 4 fridges/freezers. I can make the electric meter dance

 

[luckydave215]

Remember guys the $650 is the ask, not the closing price. I like the tower too, no aluminum bleeding on the decks when the anodizing gets old, which happens quickly, and no stumbling overs the support tubes on the side decks.
I have the cockpit control station, it's not much use, because you can't see a damn thing from there. You can't see the outsides of the boat for backing in a slip or any kind of view forward, all it's good for is manuvering the boat from the cockpit with a fish on. I rarely use it.
1800 hours is a lot, or hardly anything, depending on how the engines were run.
If they were run hard, they're about finished, if they were run slow, there's 20,000+ hours left in them.
Any 10 year old boat needs a refit, the bigger the boat the more boat buck$ it takes.

 

[luckydave215]

I have 4 ac's and 5 fridges/freezers/icemaker.
With all that running at the same time, I still have a little capacity left on the ONE generator that's running. I wish I had a 12kw on one side instead of two 20kw's.

 

[ThirdHatt]

Jim,

There are only four A/C units on a 53MY that feed five air handlers. Some owners add another one after enclosing the aft deck or flybridge.

Believe me, I LOVE the old Hatteras' as much as anyone. I think I'd still give SERIOUS consideration to the 1998 60C with an ASK of $899k before looking at 1980 model 60C's anywhere near $700k. Look at cost new and figure what has more bang for your buck. You figure, there's NOTHING on the 1998 boat that can be more than 9 yrs old!! WOW!

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...ts=Feet&currencyid=100&checked_boats=1480258&

 

[thoward]

I have 2 NL 25kw generators I have never been able to really load them up. I like those Luggers. I would like to see a 60C repower with the L6140A

 

[jim rosenthal]

I agree. If cost had been no object and ADA made an engine to fit with the right rating, I would have bought Luggers. If I ever hit the lottery and get to do another boat, I would look at them. The reviews from commercial fishing boats and pilot boats are amazing.

 

[luckydave215]

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list..._boats=1480258&
Third Hatt, I look at that listing and read between the lines. What I get from that is:
The engines are finished. New heads at 4000 hours? They were overheated, and the whole engine is hurt.
Being the "Hatterascal", she's had the piss run out of her as a demo and fishing tournaments. Note the cockpit was just painted. What does that tell you?
One gen is new, the other is probably worn out.
The interior has been redone on a 9 year old boat. Why?
BTW, I hate the interior, but that's just one man's opinion, the next guy might love it.
Let's see, 899k for the boat, 200k for new engines, the gears are likely shot too (slam shifting backing down during those tournaments), so let's add another 50k. If the cockpit needed paint, the rest of the boat probabaly does too, add 50k.
We're up to 1.2 now, what else is wrong that isn't suggested in the listing?
If she's ridden hard and put away wet, there's nothing on an 8 year old boat that can't be junk except the hull, just because it's newer doesn't automatically mean anything in the long run.
All that being said, I'm sure there are plenty of that model out there that have been babied and anyone would be proud to own, that are ready to run for many years to come. But I bet the one in the listing isn't it. There's a reason for the price.

 

[ThirdHatt]

Dave,

Of course the lowest priced boat on the market isn't the "perfect example" of that model, it never is. There are three others (1999 and 2000 models) all asking under $1M. Maybe one of those would be more worthy. We're not talking newish Sea Ray vs. Old Hatteras here, we're comparing the Hatteras 60C from different generations. You are right, it is personal preference but my point is simply that it's not much more money for a MUCH newer boat.

Why did they redo the 9 yr old interior? Because it's due like you said every 10 years you refit, so they are right on your schedule. The cockpit was painted, so they atually used the boat for what it was meant for. No problems here. I bet they got tons of factory support from Hatteras and the engine manufacturers as well, so the boat probaby had excellent maintenanance as well. I bet if someone bought that boat and cruised it instead of fishing hard it would last a LONG time before the engines needed rebuilds. All that and you'd look like you have a new $3M boat to the casual observer.

Don't forget to spend $200k on that $650k 1980 model which needs new paint and motors (1800hrs) and new electronics. Now you're at $850k and you still have a boat that others can buy for under $400K, albeit not quite as nice. Nobody is buying tired late model 60C's for $500k just yet.