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Boater Wannabee needs lots of advice please

Ron Childress

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58' MOTOR YACHT-Series II (1985 - 1987)
Hi all and thanks in advance for any assistance. I'm in the market for my first ever boat and in the last part of my life span so I gotta' get it right.I'm wanting to find a 58' MY with a solid glass hull, befor coring began. I understand those are in the 1977 through 1979 era.I also have recently discovered there is an 18' beam version versus the 15'-10"? Any opinions on the wider beam being value added? I saw one of the 15'-10" called a bus boat by an agent/broker so that gave me some impressions I didn't care for. I'm sold on a Hatt, that's a given. Also, anyone have one of the "Mid Size" books by Mr Pascal for sale, please? really delighting in reading all the questions and comments on here, very informative.
E mail at ron.childress@power.alstom.com

Thanks so much! :)
 
Ron,

You've made the first step in the right direction by choosing Hatteras over the others. All Hatteras boats are solid glass from the waterline down. Some later models will have divincel (sp?) coring in the transom but that has not created any concerns. If you are set on the 58 the best thing to do is to get to know the other 58 owners here. They may even turn you on to a boat they know.
 
We have one for sale across from me. I know it is a MY and I think it may be the 58. They want right around $215k but I know he is ready to deal. Check with East West Yacht Sales in Ft Pierce. It will need some work but I am sure you can get a price that reflects that......
 
David Pascoe book can be bought on his website, www.yachtsurvey.com lots of good reading there...

the wider beam boat offer much more interior room.. huge difference. on the down side... is the price and also the fact that it maybe harder to find a slip... a concern for any large boats but there are narrow slips where an 18" beam boat will not fit.

coring is not an issue on any of these boats, whoever told you to stick to 77-79 didn't know what they were talking about.

i think the bus look came from the failry narrow beam of the 15'10s, at least by today's standard... it's only obvious if you look at them from the stern... but i can live with that... still a much better looking design than the modern nike/wedding cake !
 
Welcome Ron!

Good choice of boat brand for your first boat! A word of frendly advice, If this is your first ever boat , make sure you get real hands on training from an experienced hand. These boats are big and beauitful and real HEAVY! tipping the scales at over 70,000lbs. There are many schools and private instructors that will give you good training. You can also enjoy your boat with a hired captain.

either way enjoy it. Life is too short and it's later than you think...
 
Actually the "bus" look and nickname widely known by brokers specifically refers to the 1977-1980 58MY Series I 15'10" beam boats built before the 18'2" widebeam series II. The boat is tall, long and narrow. It has been written that unstabilized, these boats can be a bit "tender" in a beam sea.

On the other hand, the Series I 58MY offers more sheer interior space AND more flybridge space than any other 15'10" beam Hatteras, period. These are also the first to offer an optional floorplan with a fourth stateroom!

It all comes down to personal preference because they are all great boats.
 
Ron,

The first question that comes to my mind is, and I'm not being a smart-aleck, but why have you settled in on a 58MY, rather than broadening your search to include the 53MY? Most people stumble onto a 58MY while searching for a 53MY. You're the first one I've heard of, other than myself, who has set out looking for a 58MY from the get go, and I did consider a few 53MYs and 58YachtFish (that's essentially a 53MY with a 5-foot cockit) during my search, but there were too many consequences in giving up the fourth stateroom for my particular purposes.

I have a 58MY, but I specifically needed four staterooms which is something the 53MY or the 58YF never offered. Without the specific need for a 4 stateroom model (and Hatteras only made a handful of them in comparison to the 3 stateroom model making them difficult to find after all these years), you may find, as have most others, that the 53MY is easier handle due to the fact that it has walk-around decks which the 58MY does not. The lack of visibility from the pilothouse and the flybridge on the 58MY is another down side to the 58MY that the 53MY does not have. And, the 58MY will cost you more in terms of insurance, dockage, and yard expenses when it comes to maintaining the hull bottom. I'm not trying to talk you out of the 58MY in any way - I love mine - but just wanting to make sure you see all of your options and fully understand the differences in order to make a good choice to get the most happiness out of your boat. If it's just a boat for yourself and you can live with 3 staterooms, the 53MY or the 58YachtFish might be a better choice in the big picture. We are unable to single hand our 58MY due to the obstacles I just mentioned and that's a bit frustrating. I also don't like not being able to walk around the outside in order to wash the sides of the "house", clean the windows, varnish the teak strips that run down the side, and any other maintenance you'll want to do to the sides. For us to do any of these chores, we have to leave our slip and go find a seawall to tie up to. But....I needed 4 staterooms in a boat under 60 feet, so there you have it. If didn't need the 4 staterooms, I would have without a doubt bought the 53MY or the 58YF.

The Series II 58MY with the 18' beam will cost you a LOT more for dockage. For example, I pay $1,180/month for my slip. If this boat were of the 18' beam variety, I'd be paying $2,411/month because I'd have to rent the slip that is wide enough which is designated for a longer, bigger boat, but still....I'd have to pay the market price for that slip regardless of what length boat I choose to put in it. Now THAT makes a huge difference to me!

Think about some of these things and if you can open your search to a 53MY or a 58YF, you'll find a lot more selections in the marketplace because Hatteras made a LOT more of these. They are GREAT boats.
 
Ron,

Good luck to you on your search, you have found a great web forum for advice.

Thanks to "global resourcing" I may be offering our 38 may be for sale soon :(

The rumor mill at IBM says there will be 30-40% layoff of all depts at my home plant site in Boulder May 1.

Those India guys are sure liking this. :( :( :(
 
Ang,

Great post. Advice was right on the mark. The 53s are probably the boat that most Hatteras owners (without 53s) salivate about, but for various reasons can't have them, myself included.

Walt
 
I saw one of the 15'-10" called a bus boat by an agent/broker

Hmm, if he calls a 53/58 a bus boat, what does he call a Carver Mariner? Attractive? :rolleyes:
 
To refer to any quality, well designed classic boat in a derogatory manner, particularly a classic Hatteras by an alleged professional (broker) just proves to me that the perpetrator of such trash talk is not a true boat loving person and is only in the business for the money.

It's acceptable, to me at least to understand the mentality of most of the buyers of new but low quality boats. Most have little or no experience either with quality boats and little or no ability to do the necessary work on an older classic. What many do have however are large check books and/or the ability to get into hugh debt. It boggles my mind that most folks who can afford a new over 30 ft boat of any brand can be so un-enlightened as to the real costs of boat ownership. Consider the ridiculous price tags for relative trash, combine the horendous depreciation and poor ride/safety etc and the only thing those poor folks have going for them is that everything is under warranty for a short time, then look out.

Sorry for the rant, I know I'm preaching to the choir.....

Walt
 
Angela, et al, I am deep in the market for Hatts in this size range as well. The 58's I've seen so far, a '85 and a '87 have walk around decks.. like 15'10"s on steroids..

You make some great points about ergonomics and slip availability/economics. We're looking for a relatively big full time cruiser/live-aboard. Love the 61my, but we keep asking ourselves, "how are the two of us going to handle this thing?". I do like the direct access from one helm to the other which mitigates some of that vs the smaller models. In turn, this still turns us to looking at YF and CMY models, full walk around.

At some point I'll start my own thread and pleadings to the forum for advice as we get closer to pulling the trigger.

George
 
Angela makes some excellent points. To clarify one, I believe she was referring to aft visibility (as when backing into a slip) as a drawback of the 58 MY. The old high 53 model FB provides good aft visibility. With the 1980's model 48 YF,for example, the FB is lower, further forward, and a roof blocks aft visibility.

Also, you should decide how you will actually USE the boat....many annual running hours? speed desired? fuel costs? # staterooms? I have a 48 YF and do more annual hours via my Boston Whaler than the Hatt..on purpose...it saves fuel, I can go anywhere over 1 ft of depth, and carry the Whaler across the stern (low) where it's real easy/fast to raise and lower with outboard attached.

As Angela notes, one gives up an interior stateroom for a cockpit. For me it was an easy choice as I did not even want a spare statroom...BUT!!!! for live aboards, a spare stateroom can function as a huge walk in closet which MAY be important..otherwise clothes storage is limited compared to a house.
 
Just to thank everyone, especially Angela, for all the advice. I'm really looking forward to this exsperiance.
Thanks,
Ron
 

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