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Bilge Pump Wiring

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On my 45C, I’ve got 2 bilge pumps in my engine room, one in front of each engine. The odd thing about these is that if you lift one float switch it turns on BOTH pumps. Is this normal wiring or did the previous owner get creative with this to? :confused:
 
Sounds as if it was a previous owner's modification. I've never heard of this as a normal set up. But it would show in the original Hatt wiring diagrams (either way) if you have them.
 
That's not a very good arrangement regardl;ess of how it got that way, but not the end of the world either. If water is leaking in one side it would be a shame to use battery power at twice the necessary rate. And while many bilge pumps do run dry without failure, why use up their life unnecessarily.
 
Agreed.

And the Hatt schematics don’t show the wiring in this manner.
 
Weeeeellll..... where do the exhausts from those pumps go? To separate overboard through-hulls?

If not, then this is not necessarily a bad design. If they are to separate through-hulls then someone got "creative" with the wiring and I'd fix it.....

Check the breaker(s) that they run to as well. Bilge pumps should each have their own SEPARATE circuit protection. Obviously, your setup does not (its kinda hard to do the way you're wired :) ) Otherwise, one shorted pump means that more than one pump goes down - and when you really, really need a working one that's not the time to be down there with wire cutters trying to cut loose the shorted one!
 
Might be interesting to see where they're wired up together. When you toggle one of them from the helm, do the lights for both come on?

Do both float switches operate both pumps?

The answers to this may tell you if you can just find the crossover wire and remove it leaving both bilge pumps operating independently.

Doug Shuman
 
Both pumps output to the same sea chest, combined and then out of the boat through one thru-hull. I think they are both on the same breaker. I’m gonna’ fix that.
Doug, both floats operate both pumps. It’s bazaar! I will most likely have to re-wire the entire circuit. That prediction is based on other “creative” fixes that I have seen…
 
Yeah, I saw a few of those when I was over there...... :rolleyes:
 
I'd check the helm station wiring first because bilge pumps operate without solenoids. Both float switches and helm switches and lights carry the full power to operate the pumps. If somebody was careless, they could have cross-wired the helm wires and the same circuit that runs the bilge pump light at the helm could be supplying power to the other pump.

Since both float switches operate both pumps, there must already be power to the plus side of each float switch and then somewhere there is a crossover wire that's supplying power to both pumps. It's kind of like a 3 way light switch! If it's unintentional (like the helm is cross-wired) you may only need to set it back straight.

Here's the next test. If you turn the helm (and flybridge if you have it) starboard bilge pump switches to "off" and then go operate the float switch for the port bilge pump, what happens? If it still operates both pumps, and the starboard float switch does nothing at all, my guess is that the "pump operating" lights are cross-wired at the helm or bridge.

If your wires have the original Hatteras numbers and you have your wiring diagram, it'll make it easier, but if not and if the above test works, then turn all switches to "auto", turn off the main power circuits, disconnect one helm wire, mark where it goes, protect it from shorting, turn the power back on and lift one float switch. If they both still run, continue to do the same with more helm switch and helm light wires until you find one that stops the crossover pump from running. If you remove one that stops both pumps from running, reattach that wire where it was and go on to others.

Of course, if you put the wires back right, that still leaves them on the same circuit, but that's a separate issue.

Doug Shuman
 
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Ok, thanks Doug.

Now that I think about it, perhaps this is a factory set-up... Here’s why: On the helms, there is only one switch f or the engine room bilge pump, even though there are two down there and needs to be, as the center bilge area (between the stringers) is occupied with water, fuel and holding tanks. All water that accumulates around and outboard of the engines drain to the areas in front of each engine, and no connection between the two. There must be a pump located at these low spots. And there is only one breaker for the two pumps labeled, “Center Bilge”.

However, it is not shown like this in detail on the schematics, it only shows the breakers and lines out to the pumps.

I don’t like this set-up and will re-wire it for independent operation. Each pump will have it’s own breaker.
 
if they are rule pumps the one float switch will not last carrying the amperage of two pumps especialy if they are under load (pumping water)
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