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I got go run the boat finally after all the exhaust work today. But unofortunetly I now have a new problem. We have some sort of major oil leak on the front side of the starboard engine. It leaked somwhere between a quart and two quarts in a short 20 minute ride. Every thing was running good and never had a problem, oil pressure stayed good, the engine ran like it was new. But when I cam out of the flybridge, i smelled something and I opened the engine room door and there was a coat of oil in a spot on the floor. Fortunetly I did not do any damage or have htis happen when It was not noticed for along time, but I can not tell where it is coming from. My heatexchanger tank cover most of the front of the engine up high and it looks like it is leaking and the camshaft pully is slinging it around the engine room.

For my lack of knoledge on the subject, what is on the front of the motor behind the heat exchanger? Are there seals on a cover plate? what is up there that coudl leak. I am going ot have to clean it up so that I can try to see what is going on, but I just got back and have not finished cleaning up. Thanks for the help.
 
Cover plate on the camshaft drives, seals on the front of the camshaft pullies, or possibly the blower-to-block seal - there are oil passages running through it.

You're going to have to identify the source, which is hard when pullies start slinging the stuff around. I'd clean it up and then get down there and start from the engine room with a flashlight and see if you can identify from WHERE its coming.

Do you have mechanical gauges in the ER with an oil hose that could be involved?
 
Dang Pat, I hate to hear about that oil leak. You reckon ole' FREEBIRD is contagious? Steve told me he found a good deal on some used parts to fix my engine, but I didn't know they came from next door!

Hope you get her fixed soon as I plan to have you make good on that fishing trip you promised where we will fill your boat with fish.

See you at FLIBS. Be sure to wear some clean clothes. I'm counting on you to get me aboard some of those megayachts.
 
You can get a solution and poor it in your oil and then use a green or blue light to show the leak. It does not cost much. I can't remember the color. Its been 3 years. You would have to check. But I used it on my brothers motor and it showed leaks that you didn't know you had.



BILL
 
Phloroscan or equiv and a black lite. 1 ounce in the lube oil for IMMEDIATE RESULTS. Its one relatively new stupid idea that works. I'm sure somebodies gotta tell me it was patented on
july 26,1965 but that doesnt matter. DO IT and only have to run your engine a minute or two. ws
 
ok, after looking closer and closer to where the leak is coming from I can see that it is from up high either at or above the camshaft. My fuel pump has oil all over the bottom and the govoner has oil all over the bottom of it. This could be from the cam pully slinging it around, but I do nto know. I really hate to just start disasembling things to find an oil leak, but I also can hardly get in there to find it. What is up there that can leak? I am really struggling with this from lack of having to deal with it.
 
? I dont get it, I hate to say I can't see anything, but I am not sure how the phloroscan will help because I I can not get above my engine to see where the leak is.
 
I bet its coming from the cam seal on the front pulley.

The other possibility is from the blower-to-deck gasket. Are the blower hold-down bolts good and tight? (NOT overtight - there's a torque spec on these and you CAN strip the block, which is really bad!)

Finally, it can be leaking from the fuel pump drive location itself, but if that's the source it should be obvious as the fuel pump should be loose.
 
This morning I was able to get my mechanic over here to watch what was going on while I ran the boat. The oil is coming out of the dipstick ans splashing on the alternator pully which is carrying it up to the cam pully and causing it to sling around theengine room and it is decieving looking when it starts to happen. The problem is, why now to I have Crank case pressure so high. We have done some work to the boat, but this was not happening before we did work. What we did was as folows. We had and exhaust leak between the manifold and sweep pipe on our way back from the bahamas in two banks because the previous rebuilder (before we owned the boat) (rebuilt in 99) used the incorect gaskets.

We replaced,

All gaskets from the manifolds gaskets out to the turbo pedistal gaskets
New exhaust shower heads on the risers
New exhaust blankets
Intercoolers cleaned at Radiator Shop
Changed Airseps to Racor CCV on both engines
Replaced Oil hoses for Turbos
New Raw Water Impellers

In the detroit manual it speaks of having blow by and such or basically saying it is a worn engine or that it could be excessive exhaust backpressure This is understandable, but this engine runs strong and does not show any other signs of wear while running. It turns full RPM, only smokes on cold start, does not blow black smoke or white smoke while warm.

Do you all have any suggestions? Mechanic is thinking that the change to Racor CCV from Airsep may have something to do with it, but I find it hard to believe that it would only cause a problem on one engine if that was the case. It is possible that there is an engine problem internally, but why would this start after not running the engine for 3 months. I think we are missing something.
 
Is CCV flowing in the right direction? Look for the little arrow molded on the case. It is also possible to chage the direction of flow by pulling the guts out and installing it the other way around. If you have no crank case ventilation at all, it seems it could cause pressure to come up the dip stick. Maybe you need to pull the hose off and run it with the CCV unhooked to check.
 
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The Arrows are pointing the correct direction and it has not gone into bypass mode. It sure seems like there is something cloged causing too much Crank case pressure, but if I am correct, there is no other way to eliminate crank case pressure other than out the CCV correct?

Possibly this is stupid, but if the Airseps had both turbos creating vacuum on one bank of the enigne, the suction is less than when the outlet of the CCV only goes ot 1 turbo. So on a slighly worn engine, assuming that is what I have, then I would not be regulating down the Crank case pressure as much as I was before.

If this is the case, then I should T the outlet and connect it to the other Turbo and I would add more vauum on the CCV's and lower pressure in the Crank Case.

How does this sound? It could buy me a few hundred hours that way if I were to have an overly warn engine, which I should not at 1000 hours, but who knows what the previous owner did.
 
Here's the thing Patrick....

The CCV is NOT supposed to "pull a vacuum" to keep the crankcase pressure down. First, it'll never be able to do that successfully, second, you REALLY don't want to do that for a whole host of reasons.

The CCV's purpose is to keep PRESSURE off the crankcase. That it can do, but only to a point. Blowby will overwhelm the CCV system as the amount of air volume involved is VASTLY more than the CCV can evacuate safely.

So - what you have to deal with is this:

1. Where are your airbox drains going to? Please tell me not to the crankcase! If so, there's your problem. Get those damn things out of there and route 'em to a crap can or, if your engines run pretty clean, just run from the check valves down to the bilge diapers under the engine and change the diapers every three or four months.

2. Oil's not overfilled, right?

The CCV is not going to pull a vacuum against blowby - no chance in hell. Neither will Airseps, and the worst part of it is that an airsep system probably would have given you a very fine runaway under these conditions - the CCV prevents that.
 
Karl,

I have read about this issue with the Airbox drains about 500 times, and I do not want to sound dense, but I do not understand it. You are saying to replace the hard tubes on the side of the block with soft hose and route it to a "crap can". This ins a sense will remove the Crank Case pressure I am experiencing?

I can't tell you that they are not going to the crank case, because they are, and they have never been changed by me. I have not done anything with them since we purchased the boat, and the mechanic cleaned them at that time.

If I were to remove them from their location, what do you use to plug the bottom where they bolt to the crank? do I just put a new bolt in there?

Also, what type of hose do you use, aeroquip, or just oil resistang hose. And, do I still need the check valves inline with them or are they eliminated?

I apoligize for all the questions that I am sure you have answered a thousand times.
 
AHA! We have a winner!

And your mechanic didn't know to check this? FIRE HIM!

Ok, let me explain. The airbox drains are tapped holes in the block - one on each corner of the airbox - they're "kitty corner".

Their purpose is to allow crap that builds up and is liquid (or semi-liquid) to drain. Now the problem with this is that on a turbo motor there is a LOT of pressure in the airbox when the engine is running; it is exposed to full boost!

Ok, so to prevent that from being dumped (and harming performance) we put a check valve in there. It has a small spring in it so its open under low pressure, but closes as boost comes on.

Except for one problem - these little valves get gunked up and then stick either open or closed. If they stick closed, the gunk builds up until you aspirate some of it into a cylinder, and major damage is done.

If it sticks OPEN, the crankcase is pressurized.

Why? Because Detroit, in its cowtowing to the EPA, ran the returns from these drains TO THE CRANKCASE! Now that's about the LAST place you want something that gets into the airbox to go (it could be soot, dirt if your airfilter bypassed, etc) BUT the EPA had a schniz fit about them dumping it on the road (which they used to do), so that's where they piped it.

What you want to do is REMOVE that crap. Get some pipe plugs (1/4" should be the correct size) and put them in the holes in the oil return area (block and/or oil pan) where the pipes currently go. You may make a mess removing them depending on the inclication of the engine and oil fill level, so be quick.

Now, what you'll have are two open holes in the block which go to the airbox.

You're going to get yourself some Street Ells that thread into those, some hose barbs, some fuel-rated hose (pick - it doesn't have to be Aeroquipt stuff) with appropriate clamps.

You put the Ells into the block and screw in the barbs. Use pipe dope so you don't have any leaks. Aim the barbs SLIGHTLY downward.

Now here's the trick - you want the hose to angle downward - NO UPWARD RUN - all the way to somewhere convenient. Ideally you want BOTH SIDES to come to a "T" somewhere convenient. Run both hoses to the "T", with the "T" open end pointing DOWN.

On the open end, attach ONE of your airbox check valves you removed (you removed two, remember?) after cleaning it with brake cleaner (spray it real good and get the crap out of it.)

On the OUTLET of that check valve you can either (1) run a hose to a crap can to collect the puke, or (2) just run the hose down to where your bilge diapers are under the engine and change the diapers. With the valves working correctly you'll get some gunk out of the hose but not a huge amount.

You should have air coming out of the check valve hose at idle, but as you come on boost there should be NOTHING coming out of the hose. If there is the check valve is stuck open (again)

The valve should be removed at every oil change and cleaned with brake cleaner. Now you know why you relocated it where its convenient - so you can get to it to clean it easily! On lots of these engines one of them is behind the starter and is a REAL BITCH to get at.

If your airboxes are routed to the crankcase I'll bet 'ya $100 the problem is a stuck-open check valve. $50 worth of hose, clamps and fittings will fix it permanently.
 
OK Karl,

Just where are these check valves?
On my 6-71ti, I have a threaded L fitting coming out of the block which has 4" of 1/8" copper tube feeding a flexible hose leading to a crap can.

I don't see anything that looks like a check valve. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong thing - I dunno.

Can anyone snap a pic of what I'm supposed to be looking for?
 
There should be a roughly 3/4" diameter cylinder that's about 3" long inline between the "L" and the tube. Those are the check valves.... they are normally on all turbo engines but not (usually) on naturals.
 

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