58LRC or Tollycraft 61?

[Freeebird]

Well, as of today, I am in a position to buy a larger boat, and these are two I'm considering. I may look at other options, but I plan to live on the boat and go back and forth from Tennessee and Florida which was my original plan with the now ex. Neener, neener, neener... (that's for her)

I've always loved the 70CMY, but I want range. Grand Cayman has always been a dream destination via my own boat, and I plan to make that a reality, maybe even this winter. I know the above boats have the range to go trans-Atlantic, and I've always wanted to visit Australia too. I'm retired on paper, but I'm still working my ass off in my safe business with a new game plan that's already working, big time.

Sold my lake house yesterday, so that has me ready, willing and able to pull the trigger on a bigger boat. If anyone knows of either of these examples, or something they think will fill my particular needs, PM me. Bringing a boat home from Seattle would be fun, but not this time of year. Maybe I'll buy one out there and come home via Ketchikan next summer. That's a bucket list stop for sure, and I'd practically be there already. Guess I could see what it would cost to leave the boat there until it's warm enough to head north. If I'm ever going to do it, that would be the perfect time.

 

[cww]

Tollys are nice boats. I've been on a couple, they have nice lines and strikingly well laid-out interiors. They really use every available inch, a 60' feels like an 80'. That said, getting to the nuts and bolts, that model is just a standard modified-v planing hull. You're talking about long ocean crossings, that is not the right tool for the job. The hatteras LRC's are true displacement hulls. That will translate to better fuel economy and a correspondingly longer range. It will result in a much, much better ride in the large rolling swells you encounter offshore. Also tollys are lightly built compared to a hatteras. A 61 tolly has a dry weight of 65k pounds and a 58 LRC has a dry weight of 90k lbs. Unless you're in a fishing tournament and leaving the couch and chairs and fat wife on the dock to gain half a knot, weight tends to be your friend offshore. For the use you're contemplating I don't think there's really much choice between the two.

 

[RonNP]

I've been on both and neither one gave me the wow factor. If I was going as far as you have plans I'd look at a Nordhavn. I've toured a few of those boats and they are absolutely amazing with up to a 5000 mile range. If you decide to buy a boat in Seattle October is the time to bring it down. You won't find smoother seas and coming down California that time of the year is amazing all the way to Cabo San Lucas and beyond.

 

[Freeebird]

It's a no-brainer that the LRC is the better passagemaker, but that's about it. Everything else gives the Tolly a nod from my standpoint and planned use. When searching YachtWorld, I ran across the later model 57's which I had never seen before. There was one in WA that was extremely impressive and exactly what I was looking for. I was ready to tie it up and fly out there, but when I called about it this morning, it was under contract to the point of having passed the sea trial with flying colors. Guess I was a couple of weeks late.

There is another one in TX with questionable history and in need of an interior makeover. It's a tad... hideous. This from a guy who had enough imagination to look past the disco ceiling and red velvet on my 58TC. I've found I'm not quite that imaginative these days, and I'm looking for turn key. Think I'll fly down to Galveston and give her a look, just to see if I want to veer away from a really nice 61 in Seattle. Both have their pros and cons.

 

[Freeebird]

Tollys are nice boats. I've been on a couple, they have nice lines and strikingly well laid-out interiors. They really use every available inch, a 60' feels like an 80'. That said, getting to the nuts and bolts, that model is just a standard modified-v planing hull. You're talking about long ocean crossings, that is not the right tool for the job. The hatteras LRC's are true displacement hulls. That will translate to better fuel economy and a correspondingly longer range. It will result in a much, much better ride in the large rolling swells you encounter offshore. Also tollys are lightly built compared to a hatteras. A 61 tolly has a dry weight of 65k pounds and a 58 LRC has a dry weight of 90k lbs. Unless you're in a fishing tournament and leaving the couch and chairs and fat wife on the dock to gain half a knot, weight tends to be your friend offshore. For the use you're contemplating I don't think there's really much choice between the two.

I share your sentiment, Chris. The Tolly is a much better liveaboard, and I won't be in a position to where I can't wait on a weather window if needed. Coastal cruising and just going north and south with the seasons will be my primary interest.

That being said, I talked to the owner of a 61 at FLIBS a few years ago who had taken his acroos the Atlantic via the coast up and down. He had lost his wife and was selling the boat. I tried to talk him into keeping it, but that's just me. Not sure I could part with something that held so many memories. That's why I'll once again be a two yacht owner as I'm still going ahead with my plan to bring the 41 to WAY better than new condition. It and whatever I decide on will be part of my bed and breakfast/charter business. The big boat will winter in Florida with that in mind.

The 57 is a wide body that actually has a side deck on the port side of the boat. That's the best of both worlds IMO. Broker said it's much more livable than the 61 from that standpoint, and I love the galley up in the pilothouse. That would be awesome for a crew of two, or even one for that matter.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

How about a Defever or a Grand Alaskan in the 49-60' range? I like the Alaskan 56. I know, they're Taiwan boats, but still might be worth a look.

 

[jap201]

Guy in the slip behind me has an offshore 54. Runs it from NE to Fla a couple of times a year. Cockpit and walk around, seems like a nice boat. Never been on the inside tho, so can't comment there. Not in the nordhaven class, but seems like a nice boat. On the other hand, he looked at the nordhaven's, and chose this...

 

[Dan Mapes]

A Tolly with 8-92s and 1200 gallons of fuel is transatlantic?

 

[Boatsb]

I remember a 65 LRC extended to 70 somewhere. Supposed to be a nice boat. As with any they need to be kept up and modernized once in a while.

Transatlantic isn't a big draw anymore. Most owners ship the yachts now. I read some info on a nordy transatlantic trip and some less than happy travelers. It's a long way at 8 kts. '

 

[Freeebird]

A Tolly with 8-92s and 1200 gallons of fuel is transatlantic?

Read it again. He followed the coast up and across Iceland. It definitely won't make a straight shot. Haven't done the math, but even if the LRC could, who would want to?

 

[Freeebird]

How about a Defever or a Grand Alaskan in the 49-60' range? I like the Alaskan 56. I know, they're Taiwan boats, but still might be worth a look.

I saw a Grand Alaskan on one on my trips up the coast, but I've never been on one. I was docked beside it in SC. Very handsome boat with great lines. Gotta wonder if they wander like every other Chinese boat I've run. Defevers are okay I guess. I ran a 52 (I think) many, many years ago with 3208's up here on the river.

A broker contacted me about a very nice 61 they had listed and told me it was going to be in the Seattle boat show next week. Might be fun to hit that one and just walk around a bit. I've only been to Seattle once, and that was to buy a boat that turned out to be an absolute pig. Definitely planning on FLIBS again this year if nothing stupid happens.

 

[cww]

How about a Defever or a Grand Alaskan in the 49-60' range? I like the Alaskan 56. I know, they're Taiwan boats, but still might be worth a look.

Oooh those grand alaskans are niiiice, I went on one at flibs ages ago and it was stunning. Defevers are alright, but the ones I've been on are a lot like a hatt MY. They have a real similar layout, and they all seem to have 3208's or 671's each with turbos, it's too much power to be a real trawler but still so much weight that it's too inefficient to run at speed. Given the choice I'd rather just have a hatt LRC. They have 471 or 671 naturals that burn next to nothing at hull speed. The plus side on the Defevers is a full beam standup engine room with a workbench though. That is kinda nice.

 

[Freeebird]

This one looks nice. Weird they have no pics of the master or any of the staterooms, and no ER pics. Asked for some.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980/hatteras-58-long-range-cruiser-3858150/

There's one in Charleston, but it's been weird to this point in terms of... pretty much everything associated with driving down to take a look at it. I'll be in Asheville, NC next Tuesday and was planning to drive down after I do my safe man thing, but I'm no longer getting a warm fuzzy about anything to do with the boat or the broker. No offense if you are on here, but I think you can understand my feelings at this point. Photos in my email can't be opened, but then they were. Contract and photo of check was supposed to get me in ahead of another looker, but they didn't. Looker passed as well as everyone else who has looked at the boat, but it sounds like it just needs some minor cosmetics. You can find it if you want.

 

[Pascal]

You can not compare a deFever to a Hatt or even a Tolly!!!! Not even close.

I looked at a few grand Alaskans a few years ago for a customer. Run Forrest Run!!! There were so many issues that it was a non starter after 5 minutes on board.

Pretty much anything can make it to grand cayman as long as you don’t mind dealing with the Cubans. Question is why? The Bahamas offer much better cruising grounds than cayman...

 

[Freeebird]

You can not compare a deFever to a Hatt or even a Tolly!!!! Not even close.

I looked at a few grand Alaskans a few years ago for a customer. Run Forrest Run!!! There were so many issues that it was a non starter after 5 minutes on board.

Pretty much anything can make it to grand cayman as long as you don’t mind dealing with the Cubans. Question is why? The Bahamas offer much better cruising grounds than cayman...

Why do I have to worry about dealing with Cubans?

I actually planned to take the 58 to Grand Cayman before bringing it back to Tennessee, but we all know (at least us old timers) how that went. Even it had plenty of range to leave from Key West and make a straight shot. I haven't checked into what is involved in terms of entering Cayman waters these days, but I assume it's the same as the Bahamas where COVID etc. are concerned. It's still the prettiest water I have ever seen, and I've seen lots of water. Just the most magnificent blue. May not ever want to leave. That was part of a discussion with the then wife too.

Life sure can be funny. I'm living out my dream, and she's stuck in a subdivision with a husband who doesn't even own a boat! Now I just need to find myself a mate who likes to travel! Lots of crazies out there for sure!

 

[Freeebird]

I've been on both and neither one gave me the wow factor. If I was going as far as you have plans I'd look at a Nordhavn. I've toured a few of those boats and they are absolutely amazing with up to a 5000 mile range. If you decide to buy a boat in Seattle October is the time to bring it down. You won't find smoother seas and coming down California that time of the year is amazing all the way to Cabo San Lucas and beyond.

I've been on several NerdHavens, and while I respect all they have to offer, they just don't float my boat from an aesthetics standpoint.

That being said, I like the salty, ship-like look of several trawlers I've seen over the years. The Kady's are awesome, but I want to keep things under the $500K range, at least for now. if things go as well with some of my new business ventures as I think they will, I'll be looking for "Sunday Money". My Dale Earnhardt autographed, Hatteras T-shirt (that I bought as the result of a post on this forum 15 years ago and wore to my first FLIBS) will be hanging in a shadow box, front an center. I'll name the boat, "Safe Money", with my company logo to the left of the name.

Hey, if a man is going to dream, he may as well dream big! LOL I'd be a two Hatt owner again, but it would live in Lauderdale with a full time Captain and also be part of the charter fleet. I'd rather hang out with friends on a boat like that vs driving it myself.

 

[rsmith]

We fished Cozumel several times in the 80’s. Every time coming around the western edge of Cuba we would be approached by Cuban gun boats. Even though we were in international waters they would try to cut us off. It was more intimidation than anything. But Caymans a long way around with a lot of open water to get there. Unless you’re into diving, which is great the wall is a unique experience, the Bahamas has better places to go.

 

[SKYCHENEY]

You can not compare a deFever to a Hatt or even a Tolly!!!! Not even close.

I looked at a few grand Alaskans a few years ago for a customer. Run Forrest Run!!! There were so many issues that it was a non starter after 5 minutes on board.

Pretty much anything can make it to grand cayman as long as you don’t mind dealing with the Cubans. Question is why? The Bahamas offer much better cruising grounds than cayman...

Quality varied widely in those boats. Some are okay and some have issues. The newer stuff was better.

 

[Pascal]

It a roughly 800nm from Miami to Grand cayman, all open waters, with limited shelter along the way. Cayman is not a great cruising boat destination because of exposure to open water with swells, limited anchorages. It is a beautiful island but best experienced from a nice house with a center console

If you think the Caymans have the most beautiful waters, try the Exumas! Only 220 NM from SoFl, easy day run with shelter along the way and once you get there you have 130nm worth of anchorages, sandbars, beaches etc. 90% of which are protected from swells. nothing like it anywhere in the world.

 

[ty1on73]

How is your French...? Beautiful 65LRC

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/hatteras-long-range-cruiser-3614955/