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Repower 52c 8v92TI to Detroit Series 60

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rustybucket

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Well... the time has come.... sooner than I wanted but the trigger has been pulled. As some of you know we've done a ton of work and upgrades to my 1986 52c with the addition of a mezzanine, transom tuna tubes and corner baitwells, bridge extension and a long list of other improvements. Through all of that we did couple of inframe rebuilds of my 8v92 detroits. This summer in Key West we experienced a catastrophic failure in port engine, 3 main bearings were spun. At this point we are still unsure of the actual cause of the failure, hoping to determine that when we pull the engines.

After the failure we limped back to Pensacola on one engine and I began the hunt for a set of engines to repower with. My initial plans were to find a set of fairly low hour Cat 3406e's at 800hp. My 8v92TI's are approx 700hp and to be honest the boat was almost a dog with that hp. To really get the boat on top and feeling light and frisky rpm's would need to be 2100rpm, which is higher than I liked to run them so we were kinda limited to 18knts at 2000rpm. So I def wanted to increase hp with this repower. So I started the hunt... and tbh it was kinda depressing... The engines I was finding were pretty well clapped out, rusty and the sellers all wanted in excess of $125k and most didn't include marine gears. Over a few months I grew frustrated and begin getting quotes for new/reman engines from Cat, FPT along with others. The quotes just for engines was averaging $200k-$300k. On top of that I would need gears, exhaust, controls, engine mounts....etc. I was quickly realizing that the cost of this repower would approach or exceed the value of the boat.

Luckily, I finally located a set that appeared to be in really good shape and the price was more than reasonable. A custom 58' Carolina sportfish boat was repowering in preparation of taking the boat internationally for the next few years. I spoke with the capt, the mechanic, reviewed the recent oil samples as well as a seatrial with a 3rd party mechanic. All seemed well with them and it appeared they had quite a bit of life left, had never been rebuilt, included gears, trolling valves, exhaust, controls, mounts...etc. So the deal was made and I made the trip to Morehead City to pick them up.

The new engines are 2012 Detroit Series 60, inline 6 @ 825hp/ea and have approx 7,000hrs on them. They have been meticulously maintained and all past records were available. Got them back to my shop in GA early Jan and decided to put a fresh coat of paint on them. There was very little rust/corrosion but there were a few spots where paint was chipping and the factory paint had yellowed.

Just finished painting them last week and will be putting them back together this week, and will be wiring them up in the shop and running them on the pallets just to make sure no leaks and everything is good with them. After running them in place I'll be pulling the oil pans to change the pan gaskets/grommets. There does appear to be a couple of seeps/drips on the oil pans currently. The previous mechanic recommended changing the pan gaskets while they were out as that is a common place for leaks to develop over time on these engines.

Well, this initial post was a little longer winded than I had planned, below are a couple pics of the paint in process and after completed, super happy with how it turned out. I plan on documenting the repower project in this thread so stay tuned!! Below is a list of projects planned to happen during the repower.

- Bilges and engine room floors cleaned/prepped and painted white (currently battleship grey)
- Air Conditioners removed and chiller unit installed
- Helm converted from dash layout with 4 shift/throttle levers, to helm pod layout with palm beach shifters. Gauges removed and electronic engine displays installed. Garmin 12" display added to dash. Steering wheel replaced with smaller palm beach style wheel.
- Engine Room ceiling hatches re-engineered so engine access will be easier
- Power steering - The new engines came with a power steering pump so we are going to try to integrate that.
- New props

Anyways, that is all for now, wish us luck!! Can't wait to hear these puppies spool up!
 

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These are up to 20,000 hour engines in a truck at 500hp. At 825hp, I'd be concerned about how much life you have left in those. I'd consider rebuilding before you put them in the boat. Now's the time while you've got them sitting there.
 
These are up to 20,000 hour engines in a truck at 500hp. At 825hp, I'd be concerned about how much life you have left in those. I'd consider rebuilding before you put them in the boat. Now's the time while you've got them sitting there.
We are going to check them out in more detail and make a final decision on that once we fire them up in the shop. Also when the oil pan is off we will have the opportunity to inspect the bottom end. I spoke with several other people who have these in boats and it seems like having these go in excess of 10k hrs in marine applications is pretty common. Several people told me in commercial marine applications and coast guard boats they regularly go in excess of 20k hrs before first rebuild. And while these were not in a commercial application the boat never sat still for long, so they have seen regular duty on a regular basis.
 
Commercial duty marine is usually at lower hp rating, more like a truck application.
 
Wow!!!
Please keep us up..
☺☺
 
I was always under the impression that the 60 series were near bullet proof, the best Detroits built. There is a a 56 Neptuneus in my yacht club with them, it's a nice setup. Completely different style of boat than yours but the same hp. Good luck with the project!

Walt Hoover
 
Got the port engine fired up in the shop last night. The digital display would not come on, doing some troubleshooting on that today. But she fired right up and sounded great!

 
There was a 52 repowered with 60 series on yacht world a couple years ago I always wondered how they would preform. A friend of mine repowered his 53c with them back in the 90’s cut his fuel burn substantially. I remember the head was huge. One piece.
 
There was a 52 repowered with 60 series on yacht world a couple years ago I always wondered how they would preform. A friend of mine repowered his 53c with them back in the 90’s cut his fuel burn substantially. I remember the head was huge. One piece.
I was actually thinking that the other day (about the head). When it's time for a rebuild we will have to have a gantry with chain hoists to lift the head, it's LONG.
 
Fired up Stbd today! She fired right up and sounded great.

 
They are currently in the first aid tent in my shop lol.

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I was actually thinking that the other day (about the head). When it's time for a rebuild we will have to have a gantry with chain hoists to lift the head, it's LONG.
Yet another reason to rebuild now before they go into the boat. Again, great engines, but at 7000hrs, I'd think hard about rebuilding before I went to the work of installing. You'd hate to only get 2 seasons and be dealing with this while they're in the boat if you could do it now while they're so easily accessible.
 
I was actually thinking that the other day (about the head). When it's time for a rebuild we will have to have a gantry with chain hoists to lift the head, it's LONG.
It’s bigger than my1271 heads and they’re pretty big. When we first saw the 60’s everyone wondered about cracking but seems they have served the test of time.
 
Nice shop! I've enjoyed following your progress from the refinish to now, the repower. Thank you for sharing such a detailed account.
-Chris
 
Nice shop! I've enjoyed following your progress from the refinish to now, the repower. Thank you for sharing such a detailed account.
-Chris
Thanks Chris! It's def been an experience. This forum has been a great resource for me over the years. My hope is that by posting my projects others can learn from both my failures and successes!
 
Rusty, knew a repower was just a matter of when not if for you. As much as you love fishing 8V92's were never going to be reliable enough, can't enjoy a boat when you're always worried about breaking down. That's exactly why we got rid of our 8V92's for the CAT's. I know of several Series 60 charter boats running with over 15k hours so you're probably good for awhile and an Ocean Yacht with over 12k. Keep the pictures coming.
 
Rusty, knew a repower was just a matter of when not if for you. As much as you love fishing 8V92's were never going to be reliable enough, can't enjoy a boat when you're always worried about breaking down. That's exactly why we got rid of our 8V92's for the CAT's. I know of several Series 60 charter boats running with over 15k hours so you're probably good for awhile and an Ocean Yacht with over 12k. Keep the pictures coming.
You are spot on Cricket. Before we did all the fiberglass projects I spent about 6 months looking at other boats thinking maybe it would be easier/cheaper just to sell mine and get one with everything already done. The problem was that all the boats I looked at I didn't like how things were laid out, none had enough livewells or tuna tubes, and fishboxes on almost all of them were waaaayyyy too tiny. Once we bit the bullet on the fiberglass projects I made the decision that this was my long term boat.

After the cockpit projects were done and we used the boat I loved EVERYTHING about it.... except the engines... so I knew this day would come eventually. It came way quicker than I wanted, but hey, here we are. Now I have trouble sleeping at night thinking of all the badass trips we are going to make on this boat in the future and hopefully I won't have to keep my fingers crossed about something going wrong with the engines every trip lol.
 
Curious as to what issues you had with the 8-92’s. Know of a charter guy who hated his and said same thing. Would like to know what to keep an eye on. We run ours at 1900.
 
Curious as to what issues you had with the 8-92’s. Know of a charter guy who hated his and said same thing. Would like to know what to keep an eye on. We run ours at 1900.
It just seemed like it was always something. Turbos, exhaust leak, water pump, loosing coolant, crankcase pressure into coolant, injector, head o-rings...etc. As soon as I would get them right and think ok, time to enjoy the boat a little something else would pop up. I know it's a boat and stuff is always going to break but it was just a bit excessive. I'd like to be able to put 1k++ hrs on the boat each year, but with the 8v92's 600ish hrs was about the most I was able to pull off with several weeks/months of downtime mixed into the season. And of course downtime always came at the worst possible time with friends/family coming into town to go fishing.

In between the downtime they would purr like kittens and run beautifully.... until they didn't. It was just very frustrating. Lost count of how many times we came back on one engine 100+ miles offshore. I'm super anal about maintenance and upkeep and in return I expect some reliability and possibly extended engine life. The 8v92's just never returned the love I gave them.

That being said we did have a lot of golden memories on the boat with the 8v92's, not bashing them, they seem to work for some people, they just didn't for me.
 
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