More info
https://homeport.uscg.mil/Lists/Cont...m.aspx?ID=1724
https://www.luxyachts.com/resources/...r-Brochure.pdf
There is also the fine print on the reverse side of documentation certificates stating that the documentation is INVALID when operated for purpose other than solely for recreation by a non US citizen. In plain English...if you charter your US flagged boat, the captain MUST BE US CITIZEN. Not just a US resident.
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Pascal
Miami, FL
1970 53 MY #325 Cummins 6CTAs
2014 26' gaff rigged sloop
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
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Randy Register - Kingston, TN
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aka Freebird aka Sparky1
1965 41DC #93
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10-23-2019 12:57 PM #13
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Hmmm.... read his post again. Slowly.
A resident is not an illegal immigrant. A resident is someone who can live, and WORK in the US. They have a RESIDENT visa, a SS#, they pay taxes and are entitled to all the same benefits a citizen is. The only thing they can NOT do is vote, and be a Captain on a US flagged vessel. And I think be an employee of the FBI/NSA and CIA... but I'm not sure about that.
This is the heritage of marine law that dates waaaay back. At this point it makes no sense, but that happens. By comparison you do NOT need to be a US citizen to be the Captain on a US flagged airplane, either in domestic or flag (international) operations.
And I wasn't. I immigrated in 1982 from The Netherlands, legally, had my resident visa and was happily piloting an aircraft for a major US airline until ...... 9/11. Suddenly things got mighty restrictive. The company had to submit to the FAA every time a non-citizen went into a simulator for training, customs got nasty and so on and so forth. Typical knee jerk reaction but that's another story. I know the folks in the marine business saw the same, take the TWIC card for instance.
So I did the thing and me and 1000 other fine folks stood there with a little stars and stripes in our hands and recited the pledge of allegiance, well I did, and one other guy, most people mumbled something, and whopdeedoo we're a son of Uncle Sam.
Ironically at the time I had no intention of being a boat captain, now with retirement looming and a bunch of shirts with epaulettes in the closet..... you never know. I have an expired 6 pack, gonna have to renew that and may have to test Pascals theory that you can't sell a sunset cruise to 6 or less people..... I won't have to do it to make a living, but if I can make enough to fill up the tanks for my winter trek to Florida that would be pretty cool.Last edited by oscarvan; 10-23-2019 at 01:08 PM.
1978 53' Motor Yacht "LADY KAY V"
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Randy Register - Kingston, TN
www.yachtrelocation.com
www.Safes4Guns.com
aka Freebird aka Sparky1
1965 41DC #93
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It is very relevant as Bareboat charters do not require a licensed captain but whoever operates the boat must be a US citizen if the boat is Documented which is likely.
And if you own a documented boat, you can not hire a legal resident allien 6 pack captain to run it.Last edited by Pascal; 10-23-2019 at 01:33 PM.
Pascal
Miami, FL
1970 53 MY #325 Cummins 6CTAs
2014 26' gaff rigged sloop
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
12' Westphal Cat boat
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Re: Chartering Rules
And YOU can't legally hire ANYBODY to run it as the owner who is offering a bareboat charter.
I suppose that does bring up an interesting point, especially for owners in south Florida. If you offer your boat as a true bareboat charter, would you be required by law to rent the boat only to a US citizen?
Seriously, I think we're getting into silly territory here where citizenship issues and bareboat chartering are concerned, but it does make for interesting conversation. Has your accent ever raised any eyebrows with the Coasties?
Yes, I'm just messing with you.Randy Register - Kingston, TN
www.yachtrelocation.com
www.Safes4Guns.com
aka Freebird aka Sparky1
1965 41DC #93
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Pascal
Miami, FL
1970 53 MY #325 Cummins 6CTAs
2014 26' gaff rigged sloop
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
12' Westphal Cat boat
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10-24-2019 10:26 AM #18Senior Member
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I won’t be posting any more videos on this site. It seems to bother some people, so…….. If you want to see this video “Don’t get stopped, get legal” or any others that I refer to in the future, feel free to see them on our YouTube channel linked in my signature. (I was told I could say that) lol
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You've never seen me advertise our company. (Because it's not allowed) Miami Cruise Yacht Charters. We specialize in preparing and managing yacht charters for owners. Our first step is to get the owner's boat compliant with ALL law enforcement regulations. Then we market and manage the boat and its charters.
We are currently writing a book for publication were boat owners can get all the information they need in one place, to operate legally. Once it’s complete and signed off by each department, I’ll share a link so you can get a copy.
Here are a SOME of the topics I cover.- What’s the difference between types of “charter” and “Bareboat”?
- What is:
2. Un-inspected Passenger Vessel
3. Inspected, Un-inspected Passenger Vessel
4. Inspected Passenger Vessel- Definition of “Charterer”
- Relinquishing Ownership
- Onboard “required publications”
- Onboard “required documentation”
- Onboard “required equipment”
- Stability Certificate
- COI
- Types of Registration Endorsements
- Staff (Safety essential and non-safety essential)
- Sewage and trash out plan
- Fire Safety Equipment and inspections
- Personal Safety Equipment
We charge our customers for this service. That’s why I don’t share this information publicly, as we are not allowed to advertise on this site. But like I said, once the book is published, I’ll share it with this site members.MASTERPLAN MIAMI
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10-24-2019 10:48 AM #19Senior Member
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This thread came up in conversation at our marina. A question came up whether the same rules apply to a foreign built vessel. Say if someone owned a Nordhavn or such. I am not aware of any distinction but I thought I'd put the question out there.
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10-24-2019 10:55 AM #20Senior Member
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Re: Chartering Rules
MASTERPLAN MIAMI
1975 58 Ft. Yacht Fish
8V71TI
HULL # 396
www.YouTube.com/MASTERPLANMIAMI
Adventure Awaits