The one thing I have never liked about the Lazzara designs is that the foredeck is too short and gives the boat a stubby look. More room inside though but not as balanced aesthetically. Quality wise their construction was excellent With good system designs and accessibility
The 2009 84 that I ve been running for almost 4 years now, only burns 75 GPH at 20 kts in calm waters. That’s about 20% less than other boats that size. It also gets on plane with almost no bow rise, in fact the boat doesn’t even have trim tabs... doesn’t need them. Fast cruise is 25kts and tops at 32.
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Re: Jack Hargrave
Pascal
Miami, FL
1970 53 MY #325 Cummins 6CTAs
2014 26' gaff rigged sloop
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
12' Westphal Cat boat
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I don't think it's an ugly boat, except for those oval portlights, which I don't think look as good as the rectangular ones. But she does look topheavy to me. However, it's your money, and you should buy what pleases you.
If you compare that boat with some modern MY designs, she sure looks better and better. I think the classic Hatteras MYs were some of the prettiest boats ever built, but they do lack interior room when you compare them to the competition that came along during the very long run of the original larger Hatteras MYs.
The part of your own boat that you look at the most IS the interior... you probably made the right choice for you. At least you didn't buy a Sea Ray.
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If you re not fishing a big swimplatform with stairs is all you need but what is critical to most is a big aft deck. Unfortunately hatteras reduces aft deck size in the 90s focusing on interior space. It may work up north but doesn’t work in Fl and the Bahamas.
As to the flush deck design, this Is why Hargrave and Hatteras were so successful in the 70s and 80s. No steps no stairs all in one level. Back then split level MYs were common but Hargrave was able to make it work on boats as small as 50’. Brilliant.Pascal
Miami, FL
1970 53 MY #325 Cummins 6CTAs
2014 26' gaff rigged sloop
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
12' Westphal Cat boat
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02-22-2020 09:49 AM #14Senior Member
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02-22-2020 09:57 AM #15
Re: Jack Hargrave
Are we adding the engine room ac?
Scott
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02-22-2020 12:12 PM #16
Re: Jack Hargrave
No flaming. At times spirited but always civilized discussion is one of the reasons I like this forum.
That said, you're slightly talking peaches and kumquats here. I'm in the 53-58 range, you're beyond that. I was talking about the "thing" in the picture below. Your boat is certainly not ugly. It's not a timeless masterpiece either . In all fairness, neither are all of Jacks. Humor me and allow me to speculate on a familiar theme: Like the fate that befalls all designers, I suspect that pressure from others at the table forced him to do things like the early 58 with the wall of windows which makes it, to me, a "thing" too. Marketing said "the customer wants a wider salon!" and the beancounters said "we're not building a new mold! 1510 or the highway" And Jack was in the middle making a 58' wide body on a 1510..... not gonna work. Finally everyone gave in, they went to 18-6 and viola the later 58 (with the side decks) was once again an aesthetic masterpiece. That, the 53MY and as we recently discovered the 70TC are, in my eyes designs that belong in the book with the E-type, the Concorde and Falling Waters. And yes, my engine rooms will have AC, of course.
Below the Lazzara thing, and the proper 58Last edited by oscarvan; 02-22-2020 at 12:22 PM.
1978 53' Motor Yacht "LADY KAY V"
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Chesapeake Bay
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02-22-2020 12:24 PM #17
Re: Jack Hargrave
The 1510 58 and the 53. Of course we're purely talking aesthetics here. The utility of a side deck versus the trek through the salon with dripping foulies on the Nazmiyal rugs is a whole different discussion.
1978 53' Motor Yacht "LADY KAY V"
Hull number 524
Chesapeake Bay
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02-22-2020 01:19 PM #18Senior Member
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Re: Jack Hargrave
Well Oscarvan, you're being far too civil. I'd take off my asbestos suit if not for the fact Freeebird has not chimed in yet.
I agree with everything said so far. This is a better side profile of Lazarra's late 80's MY design. I have to admit, i now can't not stop seeing the Winnebago comparison. Not necesssrily a bad thing, just a funny observation.
The Hargrave exterior lines are much more timeless and gracefully applied. BUT, those nice lines sacrifice valuable interior space which is important for a liveaboard.
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I ve never cared for the looks of the 1510 58 MY. In the pictures above you can see how the house was stretched forward and the boat lost the proportions of the 53.
In a way boats are like cars and even airplane. A long foredeck, like a long hood, looks a lot better. But yes you loose interior space.
The 76 Lazzara, which was launched in the mid 90s and was the first boat sold under the Lazzara name after they split with Viking, is a pretty good looking boat.
Now if you want to have nightmares look up the new Elada 85 which Lazzara in building at their new yard in Turkey...Pascal
Miami, FL
1970 53 MY #325 Cummins 6CTAs
2014 26' gaff rigged sloop
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
12' Westphal Cat boat
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He's trying to tell us his engine room is so big, it needs directions. He also tends to drink.
It doesn't look like a Winnebago, it just looks like it hit a dock a little too hard.
Like someone might accidentally install the engines facing the wrong direction?
I still think my explanation is the correct one.Last edited by Freeebird; 02-22-2020 at 02:12 PM.
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