Rudder Work Labor Hours

[capttonyf]

Looking for advice. Do any of you mechanics on here know approx how many hours of labor it should take to: Assuming a boats in yard with tools on hand and a Labor rate of $100 per Hour this is the Hours/Rate I'm being told

1. Remove and Replace two rudders. 7.9 Hours
2. Replace Lower Rudder Bearings 5.5 Hours
3. Replace Upper Rudder Bearings and Collers 5.5 Hours
4. Replace Rudder Packing 3.1 Hours
5. Replace Worn Tiller ends 1.71 Hours
6. Replace Main Engine Seacock 11.43 Hours
7. Replace 6 Cutless Bearings 16.39 Hors
8. Replace/Rebed Rudder bolt for bonding wire 1.8 Hours
9. Install new shaft 3.6 Hours
10. Install new dripless shaft seals 22.18 Hours
11. Install Customer provided Bilge Pump 3.15 Hours
12. Scrape, sand, clean bottom, running gear and Strainers. 22.5 Hours
13. Apply Prop Speed 2.17 Hours
14. The Kicker, Inspect Through Hulls/Seacocks and advise 1.80 Hours
15. Remove and install props inspect running gear, advise 4.1 Hours


You would think that some of the labor would overlap. Such as rudder removal/replace and Rudder Packing. Dripless seals and replacing of one shaft that was already out and going back in anyway, along with removing and installing wheels.

Any Thoughts would be appriciated.

Thanks

Tony

[ian w]

These hours are ridiculous,go and get a quote from another yard.

[Boatsb]

Who did you piss off?

I would say they are all worst case scenario but then again I changed out my stuffing box hoses.

Port took 18 hours, Starboard took 4.

It depends on what is rusted, stuck, jammed or otherwise difficult to do.

[Cricket]

Wow that's almost 113 hours of labor, would think 2 guys could knock the list out in 3 x 10 hour days or less, so 60 hrs. Guess you shouldn't have driven the Bentley to the boatyard.

[capttonyf]

These hours are ridiculous,go and get a quote from another yard.

That's not a quote, It's part of a bill.

1. Bottom Job with Interlux Ultra w/ Biolux 1 coat, 2 coats on waterline
2. Propspeed
3. Replace Rudder packing and Upper and Lower rudder bearings
4. Replace 6 Cutless Bearings
5. Main engine seacock
6. 2 new dripless shaft seals
7. 1 New Shaft
8. Re tooled props. Balanced and rebored from 2 1/4 to 2 inches
9. Buffed and polished the hull
10. New Zincs
11. Replaced bilge pump and float switch I provided

Parts $13,930.51 $2978 of which went to prop shop
Labor $10,686.50
Total $24,616.50
Plus Shipyard Liability and Tax
$27,111.69

Just wanting some insight because I now have to go hear their justification for these hours

Thanks Agian

Tony

[SEVEN]

Rip off. Did they give you a written estimate?

[Boatsb]

That's not a quote, It's part of a bill.

1. Bottom Job with Interlux Ultra w/ Biolux 1 coat, 2 coats on waterline
2. Propspeed
3. Replace Rudder packing and Upper and Lower rudder bearings
4. Replace 6 Cutless Bearings
5. Main engine seacock
6. 2 new dripless shaft seals
7. 1 New Shaft
8. Re tooled props. Balanced and rebored from 2 1/4 to 2 inches
9. Buffed and polished the hull
10. New Zincs
11. Replaced bilge pump and float switch I provided

Parts $13,930.51 $2978 of which went to prop shop
Labor $10,686.50
Total $24,616.50
Plus Shipyard Liability and Tax
$27,111.69

Just wanting some insight because I now have to go hear their justification for these hours

Thanks Agian

Tony

Bottom job with 1 coat? We use 2 coats and a 3rd on the waterline and with micron 66 it's about $40-45 a foot.

I'd ask to see the hourly for the workers. It's possible they are that slow. Then again if nothing went easy it's possible.

[workingonadream]

get outside prices.i can tell you that I did my rudders and bearings with another guy in around 4-5hrs or so. as for the cutlass bearings, if the shafts are out I cant see it taking that much time, all you have to do is cut the old ones out and press the new ones in. I agree that those prices are very high, and you are right that some of the labor does overlap.i would ask around to find out who people are using in your area and get other prices. good luck

[capttonyf]

Rip off. Did they give you a written estimate?

Initially, on the bottom job. Which was inline with other yard quotes. Then as a few other developments were discovered and the boat was apart they gave me a few rough estimates, then they discovered a crack in the shaft and the cause and I told them to make it right, because I couldn't run it out of there like that.

My biggest concern is it seems that some of the work overlaps, Like i'm being charged double for some things.

Tony

[capttonyf]

Just looked, Does anyone know cost of 6, "2 inch" Cutless Bearings?
Was Charged $1188.79 Seems High

Main engine seacock and new length of hose $811 plus Labor $1143. So $2000 to replace a seacock and few feet of Raw water Hose

Tiller Rod Ends $205 plus $171 Labor, Not crazy but not sure.

This one gets me New shaft seals Parts $1195 Labor $2218 and 1 shaft was already out for replacement.

Not all but most of what I'm looking at seems high.

Tony