Genmar owned both for many years.
They summed down the hatt motoryachts during that time.
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Genmar owned both for many years.
They summed down the hatt motoryachts during that time.
But your Ocean is not U G L Y.Quote:
Originally Posted by JLR
As far as smell, that can be corrected with dripless shafts and cleaning. The speed can also be increased with a repower. I would rather waste my money on a repower of an old Hatteras than buy a poorly constructed, lesser quality, newer boat for the same money. And I am seriously considering doing just that in the next couple of years.
Funny thing. When looking at boats, I looked at the 60 Viking CPMY. The Admiral said no way -- ugly.
Exactly. You can't own an ugly boat. There are so many options out there. Why settle for an ugly boat?Quote:
Originally Posted by JLR
Over the years I've tried to be polite and thoughtful here, but I need to take the gloves off in this case. First of all, I never tried to compare a 57 Carver to a 53 Hatteras. Period. What I am comparing is the relative cost of owning a "classic" VS an acceptable modern boat BUILT IN THIS CENTURY! Having actually experienced 2 months aboard one, I found the Carver 57 exceeded every expectation in ride, handling, comfort, quality details and performance. (for a modern design boat). And without stabilizers.
Personally, I hate the modern 'pilothouse' designs. In my humble opinion, the old Hatteras 53 is a timeless thing of beauty. It's the quintessential American Motor Yacht. If I could afford to OWN a classic 53 maintained to my standards, I would! I never liked the 53 ED model. No walk around access. No aft deck. Poor visibility from the lower helm. And a miserable ladder to climb up to the bridge deck. Plus, the 53 Classic walk around deckhouse design helped create a slightly lower center of gravity, which delivered a better ride and stability compared to the ED model. I've been doing this for 50 years. I've experienced both models. The 53 Classic wins.
Gel Coat VS Paint? That's a toss up. It all depends on how diligent you are regarding cosmetic maintenance. Most owners aren't. In my opinion, any boat finish should be treated like a fine car and waxed every 90 days. There is a 63 Hatteras Pilothouse in our marina paint barn right now. When finished, the owner is looking at a $70,000 paint bill...(and that's an excellent price these days). To the guy who suggested adding only $200,000 to update a marginal 53...I want some of what you're smoking! I think you can get engines and a generator rebuilt, plus a real nice paint job for about $200,000 these days. How much extra will you need to update outdated electrical systems, old plumbing, old appliances, old A/C systems, and then add new soft goods inside? OOPS...did I leave out modern electronics, leaky window frames and the subsequent damage to interior woodwork that needs repairing? Not to mention the hassle of doing it?
During my trip up north, I was expecting a treasure trove of beautifully maintained boats in the Great Lakes and was somewhat disappointed. I wish I had the time to visit every harbor and marina. I'm sure there were lots of beauties up there that I missed. In 45 days and 2600 miles I only encountered 2 older Hatteras Motor Yachts that truly made my heart flutter. A 53 Classic in Port Huron, Michigan named ADVENTURESS. And a 58 LRC that we encountered at Coinjock Marina in North Carolina named KNUCKLEDHEAD. WOW...EE...WOW WOW!
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Both were in outstanding condition and a credit to their ownership. Both boats were so nice, they brought tears to my eyes. Shame on the rest of you for owning something as beautiful as a classic Hatteras and NOT giving them the level of love they deserve! Of all the boats I did encounter along the trip, only about 5% appeared to be maintained at what I consider a high standard.
Look...I'm a huge Hatteras fan. A pristine modern anything VS a truly pristine classic Hatteras? I take the Hatteras all day every day. But comparing the modern anything to the "average" Hatteras? The modern anything will provide you with twice the enjoyment, and half the ownership cost over an older boat where SOMETHING is about ready to break every time you take her out! I think a nice clean Carver 57 was an excellent compromise for the same amount spent. US Built. Factory service reps that are helpful and courteous. And the people at Cummins were equally first rate too. The owner of this boat is quite happy.
When I started this particular journey, the goal was to buy the most pristine traditional Motor Yacht available regardless of price (within reason). When we couldn't find anything available that was pristine enough, we had no choice but to choose option B...a late model modern boat with a fresh water history. When some of you squawk about and old Hatteras only being worth whatever...I CRINGE! It all depends on how nice it is! Every boat is a money pit. A rough anything will EAT YOU ALIVE!
PD,
You and I have had this debate before. It seems that you tend to pay top dollar for everything on your boats and I do everything myself at a fraction of the price. My work is of equal or better quality than that of those you pay for top notch work. My point is that my estimates of costs are much less than yours based on what I can do for my money. I don't doubt your figures and I know this is the main reason that most of these old boats continue to decline and are not maintained much less updated. What amazes me is how well the old Hatts hold up despite the lack of care.
To each his own, I guess, but I would never own an ugly Carver like that. The old Carver 36 that Jack Hargrave designed was one of the last ones they made that had good lines.
Sky,
Remember where it's coming from.
If you cant find a Ferrari enzo at the right price the kia will be good enough. Even if it's not the same it's a better deal if you follow the thought process. And no one will care if it's not the same look. It's new and lower maintenance....
I never knew Jack Hargrave designed a Carver. Which one was it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYCHENEY
I know the Knucklehead you saw in Coinjock quite well. He often docks at our YC in the summer. It is owned by a really nice fellow who does almost all of the work himself.
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Originally Posted by tom5518
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