SMX A/C controls

Our 36' Hatteras has the older 3 knob controls for the A/C. I am contemplating a change to SMX controls for the larger salon unit. Is the installation difficult? Would this be a good change? Our current thermostat sticks occasionally and the compressor keeps runing. We do leave the A/C on when we are away to keep the humidity down. On cooler days in Miami our compressor runs until it is a ball of ice. The pressures are fine and the unit works fine again after thawing it out. The problem seems to be that the thermostat fails to shut the unit down when the boat is cold. I am not sure about this but I don't hear the thermostat click as I rotate the knob. I tried it the next day and it clicked just fine. When the unit is a ball of ice it doesn't make cold air, but the compresor is trying to run and the cooling water pump is on and flowing water just fine. That is why I am considering the SMX controls.

You need the logic board and box plus the control panel. I just rewired mine but I removed the 3 knob harness and attacked the logic box like it was from the factory.

It worked out great and I found a few wires in the old harness that were not correct.

I still have an extra system if your interested pm me.

Maynard- I went through this last summer. To sum it up, do it. I was looking at the SMX versus the Coastal Climate FX1 units. Coastal is considerably cheaper, but in my install required another wire to be run for full capability. I went with the Coastal system, and love it. I had a lot of previous owner "improvements" to undo that made the install a PITA. Took me about 4 hours a control, mostly into testing "what the heck was wired". I also found about 100' of lamp shade cord used as 120VAC (ungrounded) interior boat wiring and re-wired my outdoor courtesy lights from ungrounded 220VAC to 32VDC. Amazing what you'll find once you pull things apart. But I digress. I'm sure Steve will offer some advice. One big difference between FX1 and SMX is that the FX1's will need a total pwx replacement when the logic board fries, where in the SMX, there is a plug and play replacement logic board available. But I'm sure the new FX1 pwx might be cheaper than the SMX logic board...

Biggest improvements are the air handler slowing down when temps are reached as well as much better temperature control and "away" humidity settings. I still have a 110VAC and a 2-speed 220VAC (for the aft a/c unit) in the 3-knob controls if anyone needs them.

Coastal is easy and cheap and does the job. I installed 4 of them about 3 years ago. No problems.

http://coastalclimatecontrol.com/fx1.html

About 7 years ago I replaced the original controls with SMX myself with no problems. They worked much better than the old controls. About a year later I replace both original "propeller" fan A/C units with new Cruisair units. The new evaporators with centrifugal blowers make a huge improvement in cooling. I reused the SMX controls with the new units.

I have Coastals in 4 places on board, and an SMX in the master stateroom. I'd have to say I much prefer the SMX's ergonomics and controls, but hey, I didn't have to pay for it! Plus, Coastal is kind of a weird group to deal with when you have a service issue. They don't seem to believe in field service of stuff even by a very qualified tech, you have to send the control and the control box back to them.You may be better off dealing directly with Micro Air, who actually manufactures the units.

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I have Coastals in 4 places on board, and an SMX in the master stateroom. I'd have to say I much prefer the SMX's ergonomics and controls, but hey, I didn't have to pay for it! Plus, Coastal is kind of a weird group to deal with when you have a service issue. They don't seem to believe in field service of stuff even by a very qualified tech, you have to send the control and the control box back to them.You may be better off dealing directly with Micro Air, who actually manufactures the units.

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The Coastals are so cheap, you can just buy an extra one if you're worried about service. But I have found no need for that either.

For you guys that have 2 speed blowers in the salon...I now have a cheap digital control option & Coastal's won't do 2 speed blowers...

Only had a dealer agreement since just before Xmas....

http://marine-ac.com/marketplace/mar...8-240-50-60hz/

Steve~

That looks great, Steve. I really like the remote. Great pricing too.

But you can use the Coastal for the two speed fan. Just leave the two speed switch there and set the controls to high.

Yours is a better option though and here is the wiring diagram:

http://marinaire.com/v/marinaire/dow...on-diagram.pdf

It looks like the Marine Air unit requires 220volt AC power. Our boat has only 120 VAC on board. Am I wrong??

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Originally Posted by SKYCHENEY

That looks great, Steve. I really like the remote. Great pricing too.

But you can use the Coastal for the two speed fan. Just leave the two speed switch there and set the controls to high.

Yours is a better option though and here is the wiring diagram:

http://marinaire.com/v/marinaire/dow...on-diagram.pdf

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Originally Posted by Maynard Rupp

It looks like the Marine Air unit requires 220volt AC power. Our boat has only 120 VAC on board. Am I wrong??

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Again guys...If you would visit my site/s you would see there is a 120 volt version too...

http://marine-ac.com/marketplace/mar...-110-120-60hz/

BTW...These controls are MarinAire...Not to be confused with Marine Airrrr controls which I sell also.
Not to worry though...I think MarinAire intended the confusion ;)

The thing with the MarinAire control linked is it is designed for fan motors with more than one speed winding...So like the Coastal & two speed motors needing to use an external speed switch...With the MarinAire control you would need a rheostat in-line to slow a single winding variable speed motor like you have Maynard...If your speed control is still good you can wire thru that or if not I can sell you a replacement or...Just go to Home Depot & get a light dimmer...which would be cheaper.

Part of the reason I picked up MarinAire is for you guys with Hatt's & the larger 2 speed blowers they used in the salons.

Steve~

I had digital controls put in a few years ago- the installer up here used Marine Airrr controls, which have worked fine. They are absolutely the best thing for marine HVAC, there is no comparison at all. Steve's weren't around then. I would use those if I were doing it now. At least one of our members has had problems with Coastal and had one go up, although it worked for several years.

The digital controls have a great deal of flexibility in the way you program them- including a dehumidify cycle that runs the compressor every half hour or so that you can use when you are off the boat. Also, I think they will shut off the system and defrost it if the compressor turns into a ball of ice, am I right, Steve?

It's funny the things that really increase your pleasure in the use of your boat. Often it's the little stuff that makes the most difference. Digital AC controls were one of those things for me. Another was a good water system supply pump, in my case a Groco WSP-80. Pan heaters for the engines were another one. And a coolant loop through the water heater. Of all of them, the digital AC controls have probably made more difference in comfort while on the boat but not running, of anything I have put in.

Oh- custom foam mattress for V-berth, another big plus.

So for the single speed fans, it looks like the Coastal would be a better bet. That way you can have automatic fan speed control without the manual adjustment with a rheostat.

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Originally Posted by SKYCHENEY

So for the single speed fans, it looks like the Coastal would be a better bet. That way you can have automatic fan speed control without the manual adjustment with a rheostat.

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Actually that would depend on the Air handler he has Sky

Even though the EBS-16 air handler (which Hatteras used may of) was never wired that way...It did have a motor with 2 speed winding's...One (the low speed) wire was just capped off...but could be connected & used with the MarinAire control...

Yes they all have dehumidify functions but all go about it differently...

SMX is setup on a time basis: X hours off, X mins pre-fan & up to 60 min compressor run time...Each parameter is programmable for your locale & humidity levels...Once set you don't need to do it again.

Coastal & Marine Air: Sample the cabin temp with 10 min pre-fan than start compressor & will lower the temp 2-4-6 degrees but with a compressor run time limit of 1 hour.

MarinAire: Actually has a Rel Humidity sensor & you can set the humidity level you want from the control or remote...Run time is based on what is needed to maintain the level you set when leaving.

Yes they also have de-icing cycles that also work differently...I won't go into all that because there are many if's & buts...but they do work...Though it sounds like Maynard's problem was a bad T-Stat..

From his description...He's lucky he still has a compressor...I would not rely on that old T-stat either.
At the very least he needs to replace it...

Steve~

Steve that looks like the webasto controls.

Thanks Steve and everybody else. I just ordered the MarinAire control from the web. Now I have to spend some time with my paperwork to find out if we have a 2 speed blower or whatever. Our current 3 knob speed control gives very little change in fan speed as you rotate the rheostat from one limit to the other. I don't think that is worth having. Tune in for the next chapter as I do the installation.:)

I hope you ordered it from Steve's Web site.

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Originally Posted by Boatsb

I hope you ordered it from Steve's Web site.

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The fact he has to figure out what he has, I am thinking not. Steve would have made sure everything was matched first.
Hope I am wrong!

Guys~

Maynard did place his order on my site...Thanks Maynard !

Thing is he did what most would do & paid thru the PayPal link...Which is Ok I guess, but like mentioned above...When done that way I don't get to review the order to offer any advise before the customer is charged what it says with standard shipping rates...

My brother (my web guy) insists that we need this option (order & pay on-site) but I prefer the more personal touch that I usually give...I can see where the PayPal thing is easier, but as in Maynard's case....Somehow 2 of the Bezels were ordered (only need one) and I feel he was overcharged for freight...

The only way I can see to remedy this is to void the PayPal transaction and do as I normally do and send him an invoice with a link on it to pay...To me this works out better if any of you do place orders with me in the future...

Thanks,
Steve~

Steve I think you should give the option to work with you but if they choose to go on their own it's game on. Everyone I know that shops aggressively online gets taken here and there and I think deserves it. I have spoken to you as have many others on the site and it would have been worth his time to call, thank you for all the help and place the order correctly. After all we are supposed to be a group with similar social and recreational interests it's nice to speak to each other.

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Steve I think you should give the option to work with you but if they choose to go on their own it's game on. Everyone I know that shops aggressively online gets taken here and there and I think deserves it. I have spoken to you as have many others on the site and it would have been worth his time to call, thank you for all the help and place the order correctly. After all we are supposed to be a group with similar social and recreational interests it's nice to speak to each other.

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Thanks Scott...But I fired him off an e-mail with the option to redo the whole thing...He caught the 2 bezel thing and had asked me to change it but like I said...The only way I see to do that is to start over.

Steve~

Customer can use paypal to send $ direct to you ( using your email address with paypal) from your invoice. We do it all of the time trading parts (different hobby). By the way i am in need of a couple of the old three knob controls( variable fan). Trying to keep it original please pm thanks

Thanks to Steve I now have the order straightened out and Steve saved me some money. Originally I just did what the wesite asked except I hit the button twice for the bezel. Fat and dumb thumbs do it everytime. Thanks again Steve.:)

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Guys~

Maynard did place his order on my site...Thanks Maynard !

Thing is he did what most would do & paid thru the PayPal link...Which is Ok I guess, but like mentioned above...When done that way I don't get to review the order to offer any advise before the customer is charged what it says with standard shipping rates...

My brother (my web guy) insists that we need this option (order & pay on-site) but I prefer the more personal touch that I usually give...I can see where the PayPal thing is easier, but as in Maynard's case....Somehow 2 of the Bezels were ordered (only need one) and I feel he was overcharged for freight...

The only way I can see to remedy this is to void the PayPal transaction and do as I normally do and send him an invoice with a link on it to pay...To me this works out better if any of you do place orders with me in the future...

Thanks,
Steve~

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Well that's explains it!

Glad I was wrong :)

Our new Marin Air digital control is now up and running thnks to all the help from Steve.