I'm looking hard at an 89 45C with 535 HP 6V92TA's. Is this enough power? Can anyone give me real fuel consumption figures?
Also interested in any comments/issues/thoughts a current owner of one of these might have.
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I'm looking hard at an 89 45C with 535 HP 6V92TA's. Is this enough power? Can anyone give me real fuel consumption figures?
Also interested in any comments/issues/thoughts a current owner of one of these might have.
20ish knot cruise, ~25 in the corner light. 36-40gph at cruise, 0.9nmpg at ~9-10 kts at 1100ish RPM.
I owned an 85 with this power and set up this way (I reinjectored for 535) and liked it a lot. Nice boat; there were differences between 85 and this year, but they're not all that significant, other than not having forward windows (which many people think is a blessing rather than a curse)
If you're looking for a screamer this is not the boat for that; they're not fast by today's standards. For that you need to find someone who dropped a set of 660 QSMs in the hole - with that power these vessels FLY.
I loved mine.
Genesis:
Thanks for the info. I'm a new guy looking to break into the big boat world. (Wife and I are opting for the boat instead of the Cape house.) Been boating in NE for 30 years and own a beautiful 1979 23 formula and a 17 whaler (both will stay with us), but even if you add the two together I've only run a 40 footer. That said we leased a 46 Powercat in BVI last year and a buddy of mine just picked up a 40 Ocean I can practice with. Regardless, I know I have my work cut out for me.
I like solid and seaworthy. That's what brought me to the 45 Hatt. (Budget is $200-$250K.) I'm not looking for speed and I'm good with 20 kts. As with many folks now, I plan to cruise at 10 kts as much as possible and can't ask for much less than a gallon per mile to move a 45 ft house across the water. Do they like to run at that speed or will I always feel the need to push it up?
I read a great review on the 45 by Dave Pascoe. He did say though that they tend to be loud. I don't like loud. Did you notice a noise problem?
Any experience and info you can offer on this boat is greatly appreciated.
i know of a 61MY 1985 or so for about 185 give me a call and I can tell you more about it.
Spanky, the engines ARE loud compared to today's stuff, but I don't consider it bad, and at 9-10kts they're not loud at all.
The boat runs great at that speed, although it IS a planing hull and rolls more at lower speeds due to the hull shape, but I ran mine at lower speeds with some regularity.
A 45 footer runs VERY differently than a mid-20-footer. Its literally an order of magnitude more boat in terms of mass.
They are extremely seaworthy boats with exceptional seakeeping; in that size range and budget there isn't anything I'd rather own, which has a lot to do with why I owned one! :)
Holy Cow...now that would be a livaboard! Salt water boat?Quote:
Originally Posted by rwetherington
We've got a 61'MY and yes there is an awfull lot of interior space. I think I know the boat he's talking about I believe it's in Georgia. A few years ago you couldn't touch a 61 for under 350K what a great time to buy!!!
Brian
Thanks for the input guys. It sure is a great time to buy. But I'm pushing it going from a 23 to a 45 as it is and couldn't afford to move a 61 footer around much.
If anyone else has experience with a 45C I'd love to hear your thoughts. In particular if there's anything to watch out for or features that are must haves.
Spanky
Check the rear bulkhead if the door is in the sliding configuration, and the floor near the rear bulkhead for evidence of rot. Common problem due to water trapping and not hard to fix, but good for negotiation. Sound the bottom of the door ITSELF as well on these tracked configurations. Again, not difficult to correct but something to know about up front.
Check VERY CAREFULLY around the windlass up forward for core damage. Do it from inside the chain locker and be METICULOUS; if there is ANY question pull at least one Windlass mounting bolt and probe the holes to insure the core is dry and UNDAMAGED. This problem is very difficult to detect because the pulpit covers the deck right near the Windlass and the backing plate covers the deck inside the chain locker. If you get bit by this (I did, and I DID check before I bought) its a god-awful job to correct the problem and if you pay someone else to do it you better bring a lot of money - the yard monkeys KNOW how nasty of a job this is and charge accordingly. A LOT of Hatts had/have improperly bedded pulpits/windlass hardware. This is an issue that, if you find it, must result in a VERY SERIOUS reduction in price (a yard will charge upwards of $10k to fix this, so its NOT a trivial problem, although when I did mine the cost was a few hundred dollars - and several days in a Tyvek moon suit, breathing through a scuba regulator both cutting away the bad from the inside and relaminating the damaged area! I wouldn't wish this job on my worst enemy.) If this problem is detected it CANNOT be left alone - it both will eventually destroy the entire foredeck core and that portion of the deck is an extremely important structural area of the vessel if you ever get caught out and have to anchor in a blow (you don't use the windlass as a cleat, but even when used as a fairlead to a cleat the loads are insane under storm conditions) this part of the foredeck MUST HOLD.
Look at the "30 second Compression Test" thread here for a quick handle on engine condition BEFORE you write an offer or order up surveys. If you've got questions about engine condition you want to approach this differently than is commonplace, because bad engines either lead to renegotiation of the price or a blown deal, and if you're going there you want to know before you spend on a hull survey.
Look around for evidence of "rats nest" wiring changes. The OEM wiring is excellent both in design and quality. What other people add frequently isn't. Expect to rip out and redo anything done "nasty".
There should be an owners package on board with graving plans and full schematics for the electrical. If there isn't Hatteras still (as of last time I checked) can supply you with one for a reasonable price given the hull number. I consider that package essential and you will too the first time you want to trace out some electrical issue.
The general design and construction of these boats is exemplary; a lot of places you frequently find trouble (e.g. engine beds, etc) on other makes almost never is the case with a Hatteras, even if its seen fairly extreme conditions. They're tough boats, built right, and generally speaking there aren't many areas on them that cause trouble. I can't think of much I would have changed on mine given the constraints (size, available space to install systems, etc) that are inherent in a vessel of that configuration and size.
Spanky,
I can't add anything except exclamation points to what Genesis said. We have a 1985 45C "Hat Time" w/ 535hp 692's and it is an amazing machine. My boat before this was a 19'6" Aquasport and while the learning curve was steep, if you have the interest, you will be well rewarded.
Ours is a fishing boat from top to bottom. We compete in sailfish tournaments in South Florida with a 23 year old Hatteras against some of the best teams out there and we have had some good days, mainly attributable to this amazing vessel. In the last Yamaha Contender Miami Billfish Tournament we were first place amateur boat and ninth place overall, year before 2nd place amateur, year before 2nd largest kingfish etc.
Now for some people, fishing isn't everything and while I can't understand that, my example of using this boat for tournament fishing means that it could do pretty much whatever you ask it to do, IMHO. I am happy to share any info but Genesis is "the Man" on this particular model. Good Luck !
Greg
1985 45C
Hat Time
Miami Beach
They are terrific boats. One of the nicest Hatteras Yachts I have ever seen is Lonnie's "Green Eyed Girl", a Series 2 45C which was repowered with M11s at Jarrett Bay. Great layout, great looking boat, and from everything I've ever heard a rocket- 34 kts plus. That's forty miles an hour- how fast does anyone need to go? If I were starting out now looking for a Hatteras SF, I would look no further than the right one of those.
Genesis/Greg/Jim:
Outstanding information guys! I can't thank you enough. I started this search a year or so back looking at the 46 Bertram, then 45 Viking and after some significant research settled in on the 45 Hatt. You're making me feel very good about that decision.
And to hear from someone who went there from a 20 footer as well was great. I'm expecting a few days or more practice early season in an empty harbor to hopefully keep the dock damage down.
If you know of a good one out there, please let me know. I'm all over Yachtworld (damn addiction it is!). I'm looking at three in FL next month.
Thanks again and if you have any more thoughts please spam away!
Joe (Spanky)
If you see one in the general area of Destin (Pensacola to Panama City) you want me to go take a look at give me a holler - I'd be happy to do that before you spend the time and money to show up here so you know its not a total pig in a poke.
If it is still available check out Paul's 45C " 101" It is excellent.
45' Hatteras ROCKS
Spanky,
I was in a similar situation (and also live in Boston area) moving up form a 33 express and checking out berts, vikings and hatts. I had done the research and decided that a 45 met my needs well but had real difficulty finding a boat up north and had a sale fall through in Fla. I have sea trilaed a number of 45s and have checked out all of the Northern boats that are on the market so would be happy to share with you my thoughts and the problem boats (i.e. run aground, mech issues, etc.) that I was able to identify and eliminate through my network.
I ended up buying a local 55 that was in great shape and we love her. Send me a PM if you would likke to speak or learn more.
Best,
TG
This is something else to conside, look at a series 2 46C HP. It is about the same money as a 45 and has it all over the 45. The 46 has 8V92s and will easily cruise at 22 to 23 kts top out at 29+ compared to the 23 kt on the 45.. The 45 is a 18kt boat. The 46 has 2 headsto the 45s one. 46 has 3 A/C units to the 45s 2 units. The 46 has the salon AC in the overhead compared to the 45s A/C being at floor level and blowing from a cabinet behind the couch. The 46 has a 15kw gen to the 45s 8kw gen.
The 46 has an island queen to the 45s V bunks.The 46 has 21/2" shafts to the 45s 2" shafts. The 46 has huge rudders from a 61my to the 45s small rudders. The 46 had centerline fuel tanks to the 45s saddle tanks. The 46 has a 24 volt start system to the 45s 12volt start system. The 46 has 3 chargers to the 45s single charger. The 46 has a Galley Maid water pump to the 45s little Par pump.
Everything on the 46 is accessable for service and I can sit outboard of my engines. The 45 engine room is tight and many things are a real PITA to get to and involve moving the couch and opening the hatch. With the 46s centerline tanks, everything under the aft deck can be serviced in cluding the mufflers and exhaust. the mufflers on the 45 are almost impossible. Also the water heater is under the aft deck on the 46 and it is outboard of the port engine on the 45. The 46 has a massive engine bed compared to the standard bed on the 45. etc..... I have a friend who bought a nice 45C because he was worried about the fuel burn on the 8V92s. He really wishes he bought the 46 now.
Doesn't the 46 draw over a foot and half more than a 45?
George:Quote:
Originally Posted by George
That is SWEET!!!.....and you're in my favaorite spot too!!
(Sellin?)
Spanky
I'll bet Genesis knows. Ask him.Quote:
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Hey Capt:Quote:
Originally Posted by captddis
Thanks for the info.
I've shyed away from the 46 because I've heard horror stories about some of the older 46 hulls and the 892's. Pretty knowledgable guy up here south of Boston has owned about 5 Hatts, calls them 892-may-pops.
I'm right on the edge of the $ curve too. If I go to 46 and over 50 GPH I think I'll fall off.
Spanky
Genesis:Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesis
Thank you for the very generous offer. I may take you up on it as I get further into this. There are two or three for sale right now in Destin.
I'll be in Stuart next month. We'll be looking at a couple in that area. One or two up here in CT as well.
And thanks again for your earlier thoughts. Great stuff.
I'll be in touch.
Spanky
He sold it about three months back. Thanks for the lead though.Quote:
Originally Posted by captddis
Spanky
Unlikely we could afford one with new engines, but good to know we could repower at 40 MPH some day!Quote:
Originally Posted by jim rosenthal
Thanks
Anyone who says the 6v92 TTA engines are better is misinformed. Ask any DD mechanic. The only 8v92s that had issues were the JT 750 hp versions or the S&S back to back turbo models. I have been working on these things for 25+ years.
The 45 will burn about 37 GPH @ 18 kts. I burn 42 GPH@ 21 kts and 1800 rpm. at 2000 rpm I burn 50gph @ 23 to 24 kts.
PS I am only referring to the 82 to 84 46HP models. Yes there have been some older 46s that were repowered that had issues. The 46 series2 is a completely different animal and was completely redesigned from the series1.
Thanks Capt. Looks like I have more research to do. There's a '93 46 that I was on up here with 892's going cheap. Guy ran it aground though. Never know quite what to expect there. I wonder if I should revisit it?Quote:
Originally Posted by captddis
Spanky
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Originally Posted by Spanky's Gang
The 93 is nice but if you are worried about fuel it is not the one for you, it is a 70 gph boat. Again the 45c is a great boat with no issues, but from my perspective the 46HP is the better choice and is about the same$$.
In 1984 the 45c and the 46C HP were both offered, the 46C had a base price that was 100.000 more than the 45C. Not many were willing to pay the price difference and the 46 was discontinued. Now they cost the same.
Haven't looked much at the 46's beyond that '93. I'd like to be up in the late 80's. What years were the 46C HP's made, do you see a good example of one on YW?Quote:
Originally Posted by captddis
the hp 46 was only made from 82 to 84. On YW look at Hideaweigh St Pete or Filene in MD. I know both boats and can PM details. The owner of Hideaweigh WANTS it sold! It will go cheap.
Thanks Capt. Hideaway looks interesting, just called on the Filene...waiting for photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by captddis
The 46HP is an interesting boat; beware as I know of at least one that was sunk from the storms around here a few years ago, and I have absolutely no idea what happened to it after they pulled the engines - they were full of salt water up to the tops of the aftercoolers.
There aren't many of them, and they are a completely different animal than the 45C. As noted they were only made for a couple of years during the 80s. They had significantly more fuel capacity (1000 gals .vs. ~600ish) which was one of the issues with the standard power in the 45s - fuel range at cruise.
I have no problem with the 8s so long as the exhaust bracing is taken care of. The OEM design sucked they had a habit of breaking the seals on the exhaust side of the turbo, which led to exhaust leaks. Exhaust leaks are DEATH to diesel engines and must be avoided. That's the only issue I'm aware of with the 8s and its correctable - wise owners already corrected it a long time ago.
Last year I went thru a similar search and looked at Hatts, Berts and Vikings from 41 to 48 feet with a total budget of 300k. I'm in North Carolina and looked at examples from Maryland to Florida.
I chose a 1986 45 Hatt that had been repowered with QSM 11 535hp. Her longtime owner had rebuild the 692's once and when they were ready for another he went for a repower and refit. The work was done by Sonny Middleton at Dog River Marine in 2001/2002.
I can not tell you how happy I have been with my choice. Performance wise I have a 25/26 knot cruise burning 36 gph - top at 30/31 burning 52 gph. My run to the Gulfstream from Wrightsville Beach is about 65 miles - for a full 15 hour day we seem to always burn about 200 gal's and we are running as fast as the conditions will allow.
The QSM11 535hp engines are supposed to be 10,000 hours before rebuild. No smoke and a vastly quieter than the DD's. When I first bought the boat I thought that I wanted the 660hp engines and looked into the upgrade - the cost was $5000 per - and involved injectors, turbos and computer programing. I'm glad that I stayed at 535 as I couldn't actually use the extra speed and don't want to burn any more fuel.
If I had to do it all over again, I would do it exactly the same. I'm coming up on one year of ownership and have absolutely no remorse. We fished almost every NC Marlin Tournament plus a month up at Oregon Inlet and plan on the same for 2009.
Good luck in your search!!!
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Originally Posted by st.tully
Thanks Tully. I continue to be amazed at the information that comes through this forum. Much appreciated.
I have a 1989 45 and could not be happier with it. I burn about 38gals per hr at a 19-20kt cruise as this model yr had the 535hp 692s. Mine does have a walk around queen in the master stateroom and has two heads as well. We do a lot of cruising and the layout works perfectly for us. The salon a/c unit is in the overhead although in Fla weather it doesnt do the job so we added and additional 16k btu in the salon which takes care of that problem. The 1988 and later models have a slightly different interior layout than previous years which gives you the two heads and walk around queen. Engine room outboard access is a bit of a problem. 8kw gen seems to provide plenty of juice for our needs and sips fuel. Overall ride is excellent and has easy motion when anchored. Handling around the dock is outstanding in my opinion, but it does draw 4 1/2 feet. Large bridge with plenty of seating and a great sized cockpit. This later model should have the hinged salon door instead of a slider. You wouldnt go wrong with this model. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by worldsaway
Thanks for responding. Seems I can't find anyone with a bad thing to say about this boat, which is a great thing. I'm hearing you can run at 10Kts for around a gallon per mile. Is this your experience? Of course diesel at the dock was $2.99 yesterday!!! I may be less worried about going slow if that keeps up.
For me 8.5-9.5kts seems to be the most comfortable and yes the fuel consumption at that speed is around that 1nm mark. When I get to abt 10kts it seems like it wants to start to plow a little bit. Remember the later model 45's had a larger reduction gear than the earlier models and 4 blade props.
Boats are always for sale for the right price can you name that spot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanky's Gang
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Originally Posted by George
Amen it that!!! I check yachtworld everyday for my next boat - everything is for sale!!